Tourney / NL

Pair in early position facing a preflop re-raise, no limit tournament

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Game type: Poker Stars Sunday Million
Stage of tourney: ITM, 33 / 7786 remain
Avg stack: ~2.5 m
Your image: Aggressive
Opponent’s image: No read
Your hand: ??

The setup: You’ve been a little more active than the table norm the last few orbits. You’re closing in on a small bubble - when you hit 27, everyone moves up about $1200.

This hand UTG folds and you make a raise to 3x with a pair. Two players fold and the CO shoves over you. The table folds back to you.

It’s about 1.5 million to you. What’s the minimum pair that you’re calling with here?

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DHQ Staff
2.10.08 / 11pm

I think the CO has a fairly definable shoving range here. You’re raising early, you have a deep enough stack that the CO can’t imagine that they have a ton of fold equity, and they still have a playable, albeit shortish, stack. That to me suggests a shoving range of 55+, AJs+ and AQo+.

You’re getting about 1.6-1 on your call. JJ+ is an auto call, and 99+ is basically a flip against that range, making it an easy call as well. Things get a little trickier with 66-88, where you’re getting basically an even price on your money.

I tend to think chips are more valuable when there’s a bubble in close proximity, and that a winning image (and the momentum that goes with it) is worth something as well - especially since you look to be shorthanded for quite a few orbits to come. With that added value in mind, I’d probably drop down to 55, taking the worst of it by a little.

The tighter the opponent, the more I’d be willing to drop my requirements, as they’re more likely to be shoving pairs only 88 and better, matching you up against more race and less pair vs overpair spots.

What actually happened: In the actual hand Sankronizer made the UTG+1 raise with 22 and called the reshove by david_a. david_a showed a pair of tens and hit a set on the flop to win the pot.

kaimano
2.11.08 / 12am

CO has a playable stack and if shoves he has something. Probably not AA-KK (he’d milk us) but TT or JJ are probable (difficult to play after flop). So I’d not call with less than TT

alekhine11
2.11.08 / 7am

I AM A WIMP.
This guy called a re-shove with 22 with no reads on him.I have obviously to revaluate my game.

Greg
2.11.08 / 8am

In this situation (6 places from the money, no read on my opponent), I would fold any pair under JJ.
The opponent is not yet desperate with his stack, so his all-in means a good hand, and even if the loss of this coinflip would not break me in this tournament, I would prefer staying with all my chips.

onlinepokerincome.com
2.11.08 / 10am

I’m with Greg

As a matter of fact my option wasn’t there, QQ+

These tourney quizes don’t discuss the most important aspect of the game enough, that of stack sizes - with this stack size I don’t feel pressured to gamble. In other words, I can play good poker with it; that includes making good laydowns.

By the way, 27 from 33 is a looooonnngggg way to the next bubble in this tournament!

Pheonix 4
2.11.08 / 11am

I was thinking qq or higher. Would anybody race with AK? Just curious because I would put the other guy on JJ or worse.

Zot95
2.11.08 / 12pm

I went with JJ+. If you just look at chips, I think you could expand your range, but based on actual $ EV, I wouldn’t be inclined to.

When evaluating calling here, keep in mind you are subsidized on races to the tune of 600k chips. If you knew, 100%, you were flipping here, I’d happily call here. The (obvious) fear here is facing an over pair, which leaves you a big underdog.

Agree with others on the range. With a raise from 4 away from the button, the odds are low that this is some sort of steal. The cutoff has to read you for a hand, and is pushing all the same. For sure, they have a hand with good showdown potential.

Assume we have a low pair (such as the ducks that the player actually had). Here, you have two (likely) possibilities - you are facing two overs or an overpair. Let’s saying you’re facing 2 overs 2/3rds of the time (which I think is unrealistically lucky). In this case, your EV is about +100k chips. That’s not much at all, and in terms of $$$, it’s probably negative, due to the known issues with races in tournament formats. I think calling with 22 (as was actually done) was a pretty poor move.

I think calling with as low as 88 becomes reasonable, as you start to have some odds that _you_ have the over pair. But I still probably would only go with JJ+, as the odds are not that great, and I’m nowhere near desperate.

In response to Pheonix, yes I would race with AK here, because as I said there’s 600k chips of dead money in there. AK is a fair racing hand here, as there’s a pretty decent chance you could be going against a worse ace, and you are reasonably safe against AA or KK.

Jezzta
2.11.08 / 1pm

I voted JJ. Big re-shove for all his chips from an opponent who still has an M a bit less than ten would suggest to me AK, AQ, or At LEAST nines, more likely tens and a chance of jacks (tho if we held jacks this would be a long shot. These are all easy calls with jacks given the pot odds. Nines would be a problem because you wouldn’t want to fold to an AK but this guys play is just such a pocket-tens-thing to do. It smelled like pocket tens to me before I read the outcome. P.s, wtf is he doing calling with deuces???

Easley20
2.11.08 / 2pm

I vote 1010+…also, call with AK….depending on whether you want to get that extra $1200, or you want a chance to make it to the final table. You have to gamble if you want to make it to the end (but not with 22!)

Troy
2.11.08 / 2pm

I can’t see a need to gamble here. I relectantly call with Jacks but certainly nothing under. We are 2nd in chips at this table, which likely means that we are comfortably placed in the top 10. No need to go flipping coins with low pairs just yet. You just know that if you call with 77, the villain will turn over Q8os and hit an 8 on the turn.. :-) This game is so ugly sometimes..

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