February 6, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: $33 Turbo NL SNG, Full Tilt
Stage of tourney: ITM
Avg stack: 4500
Your image: A little aggressive
Opponent’s image: Pretty tight
Your hand: 4♠5♥

The setup: You were the chip leader for a long time in this SNG, but you lost a hand or two to dwindle down as the blinds got bigger and other players exited.

The 4th place finished got knocked out two hands ago. Last hand you raised to 2.5x from the button and the blinds folded. This hand UTG limps and the SB folds. UTG has been a little tight-passive so the limp doesn’t set of any alarm bells for you. You check and flop open ended:

A♦3♠6♠

It’s your action. For the sake of this quiz, we’ve limited your options to leading out or attempting a check raise. Which line do you prefer?

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11 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

DHQ Staff


Well, the math of the checkraise is made pretty simple by the fact that you play just about the same against all the range he’ll call you with (pair, overpair, flush draw with overs). When you get called, you show a loss of about 650. If you assume that your opponent will bet 300-600 and will do so with a hand they can fold 2 out of every 3 times, you’ll show a profit on this play.

The lead is appealing because this player’s limping range includes plenty of hands that can’t continue if you bet. Plus, a tight player is less likely to play back at you without a hand, and with your stack, you’re not committed to the hand if you get raised. Plus, if you have to exit the hand, you’re still sitting on about 10 BBs, which is more than sufficient for his stage. The only tough part about the lead is the spot you find yourself in if you get flat called and the turn bricks – you’ll still have more than a pot-sized bet left and you might find yourself with an itchy trigger finger.

I think that getting this opponent to bet 2/3rds of the time with a hand they can fold is a bit of a tall order, so I’m voting lead.

What actually happened: You checked and your opp bet 600. You check raised all in and he called with A8o. You failed to improve and were eliminated.

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Billy


although not fool-proof (more a general rule of thumb), limps from tight-passive players can mean a weak ace. I voted lead here, but I would lead about 1/2 to 3/5 the pot. This way, even if i get called, Im pricing myself in for the turn card. If he raises, I’m not going to chase a draw dead to 8 outs unless Im getting correct pot odds. Lead! Saves you from being committed if he pushes to your check-raise

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Tripps


I voted lead. Check raise is full commit. I hate going broke on a draw, and this is one of those spots where you may be drawing to only 6 outs (villain could be four flushed or back-door spades). This board and my hand are not strong enough for a check-raise.

The question is do you play this hand at all. I might be a bit nitty toward the end, but I might have checked (if you gave the option) with the intent of folding. Up until now, I’ve only invested a BB and could be in serious trouble.

My stack is pretty light compared to the blinds so I’m looking for a spot to shove where I’m not likely to be called, or catch a wonderful hand and shove and hope they do call. In this spot I’m only going to be called by an ace, pair and flush draw, that sort of thing, and in those cases I’m cooked.

The other problem is the price I’m going to lay for my opponent if I go for a bigger bet. The pot starts at 600. If I go for the check raise, I’ll be shipping it (only sensible bet). So, villain will be getting a huge price to call…there’s no fold equity in a check raise. Say I check, they lead for a reasonable amount (400-600) making the pot 1k-1.2k. I only have 2660 at this point, so what raise would make sense? Min raise? Nah, that leaves 1400 behind and a 2400 pot – that’s just silly? So, I ship it and the pot has 3800 in it. Villian is getting 1.5 to 1 and can call with a pair….flush draw…hell, even over cards (minus the ace of course – a card I would have raised pre-flop) you know, hands that are beating us.

More and more recently I’ve really tightened up in the final stages and tried to pick spots where I can pretty much dictate the action. This is not one of those spots.

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Cristiano


Lead 1/2 pot sounds nice

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cardsandglory


The lead seems to be the sensible move here. The passive limp from UTG could be a wide range of hands, including Ax as well as any decent suited connector, suited paint or small pairs.

The key is the fact he is a tight player. I would prefer to bet about 450 here, and if he so much as moves at the pot just fold. If you check and he bets, there’s a good chance given his tight style that he has the Ace (let’s not even worry if he’s hit two pair), he’s coming with you given your slightly aggressive image.

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onlinepokerincome.com


A limp from a tight-passive player doesn’t set off alarm bells? What move from a tight-passive player would set off alarm bells?

I would check and fold here given the ace on board and the stack sizes. It is VERY likely that ace hit him and there is no way he is letting it go being as even if he loses he still has you covered, and he is likely to figure you for a flush draw.

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Samurai Kid


I voted to lead. I’d lead pot which still puts me over 3K in chips. My stack is dwindling but still enough to do damage for later hands. The reason I lead here is because if he’s tight passive, we may get to see another card. Doubtful he will raise with A8o when we raised preflop. If he just calls then we check the turn. If he raises we fold. Our strong lead after the flop may buy us a free card on the river as he could possibly check it down on the turn. The blinds are getting big. We can’ be a wuss when we miss the flop and still have a nice draw.

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ace of spades


you should definatley lead because if not he is goign to over bet you ammount

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_CityBorn_


You lead to take control of the pot. If you check raise, youre committing a ton with the hopes that he folds…..well if hes going to fold, he’ll fold to your lead and you risk less. The lead lets you know if he hit this board for cheap. And even if he did, being the passive player he is, he’ll probably just call allowing you to draw for the price of your lead.

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Zach


Amen to what CityBorn said.

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Abi


A half pot lead seems to make sense here.

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