
Game type: 45 man SNG, no limit on Full Tilt
Stage of tourney: On bubble, money starts at 6th
Avg stack: ~9600
Your image: A little tight
Opponent’s image: Has been hitting everything and then some
Your hand: A♦10♠
The setup: You’re on the final table of a 45 man sit and go tournament. There are 7 left and 6 make the money. You’ve been playing fairly tight and lost about half your stack a few hands ago when you lost a race with AQ.
This hand you decide to raise to 1700 UTG and the table folds to the SB, who flat calls. The BB folds and you whiff the flop:
7♦K♥5♣
The SB checks. There’s 4k in the middle and you have ~3400 behind. What’s your play?
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there are no strong arguments here to anything but go all, u have to play to win, lol check u guys are clowns
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checking is equal to give him the pot. You’re short stack, you’ve to shove.
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Good analysis of the staff. It’s a little weak, but being on the bubble requires being weak-tight if the other guy can afford to be loose.
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I check-fold this, unless I hit an ace on the turn or river – and even then I might check-fold. Why? This is a sit & go tourney, and you are a shortstack near the bubble. Your primary objective right now should be the three S’es: survival, survival and survival! Given your stack size, your chances of winning are pretty darn small. Of course, if you pick up this pot, they’ll be slightly better, but still you’ll be a shortstack. However, your chances of getting in the money if you check/fold now are very good indeed; you can survive for a few rounds before you really have to shove. So that is what your goal should be right now, and only once one more player is gone or when you really, really cannot afford to wait any more, you should go into push/fold mode.
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Well said Gijs.
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I agree with Gijs, to the point where I probably wouldn’t have lead out with AT UTG to begin with.
Time to survive – play premium hands and position poker.
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Playing this hand in the first place utg is terrible, you’re 7 handed, if you’re going to play the hand then move all in preflop. You have less then ten big blinds, and I’m assuming that at this level there are ante’s. You have only two choices preflop with this hand, move all-in or fold. I fold, and wait for a better spot. That way this situation doesn’t happen.
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I, also, would be wary of raising with this hand under the gun, but the situation being what it is, I think I’d probably throw here and know I’m beat. If this were me, this hand would only further fuel my hatred for A-10. It’s like K-J in that it looks so pretty, but really, it’s a brown bagger of a hand.
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As much as I like the quizzes on Dailyhandquiz, there is one strange thing:
Most of the times they give us a really nasty spot with no good solution, they somehow need to find a hand that is played horribly on the previous streets.
As Chris said, with less than 10BB preflop there are only two options preflop with A 10: Fold or all in.
The reason why? Because of two nasty spots: If you are reraised preflop, you are potcommitted, and if you are called, you are in this spot.
In this spot I would fold preflop, because of the importance of survival.
To the actual donkish situation:
Any play is crap here, but because of the donkish raise preflop I am now way the shortest stack being hit by the blinds next hand. I need to survive, but that is not enough as I cant wait anybody out. If the other shortish players were real donks likely to bust before me, I migth fold. But we are not told that the others are donks, only that I am (just look at the preflop raise). So I take the consequence of my bad preflop play and move all in, in spite of the big chance of being called. If he folds half the time I double my stack, if I fold I probably bubble half the time as well.
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The call suggests a mid pair, the check screams a set. Excellent analysis by the staff.
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Tough spot with so few chips. I voted check for 2 reasons:
1) With so few chips and the size of the pot already at $4k, your only 2 moves are really check or all-in, and if you had a King here, would you really go all-in and scare him away? Only an ace would hurt the board. You’d probably check behind and hope he takes a stab at the turn, then go all-in. Going all-in here looks like a steal attempt and he’ll know that and call you down if he has anything at all.
2) His check on the flop seems suspicious since he knows you’re bound to put out a continuation bet, so why isn’t he intervening that? If he did have a King, a check is a good move to trap you.
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OK OK, take it easy on me, but this is one of those spots where you can do a post oak value bluff.
With your hand and that flop, you are either dead in the water, or Ace high is good. To find out of course you could lead with your whole stack, but the consequences are pretty predictable. You have no way to win if you are beat or you get your original raise back.
But, what if you lead a min/2x raise at this pot post flop. Now, on the surface this is as weak as it feels, but it will tell you all you need to know. Lead weakish and you opponent will likely tell you whether you are beat. No? Snap all-in = insta fold by you. Blink Blink Blink call means middle pair afraid of the King. Insta-call means trapping hand and you are done with the hand.
Small blind probably knows they cannot bluff you off this pot, so if they stick around for some small bet they have more of it than you.
Now, why is this a Post-Oak Value Bluff? Simple, you may have the best hand – so you could be betting for value. Or, you may not have the best hand but be up against 55, 66, etc. In those circumstances, you opponent may read your small lead as a trap (Post Oak Bluff) and you win the pot. Finally, the bet is small enough to allow you to get away from the hand if small blind plays back. Sure, you are mostly crippled (having invested 2300 of your original 3490 in the pot), but 1600 isn’t nothing and you will fold knowing you were likely beaten.
Stupid play? Maybe, but if you have been playing a strong tight aggressive game, this bet will look very suspicious to a nervous hand, and will be played back at by a hand that has you beat.
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Losing half your stack on the previous hand with AQ was really stupid. Now you are in fold or shove mode. So raisng 1700 under the gun was again really stupid.
Got to figure out a way to outlast B, C, and/or D. D ain’t gonna play till you are gone or above him again in chips. But B or C might get invloved in a big pot with a large stack.
Unfortunately the three players on the right will all take you in with a gigantic range (or at least they should).
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shove preflop.
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To beat a dead horse, if you’re going to raise pre-flop, you might as well go all-in. Putting in a third of your stack pre-flop is a big red flag. If you get called (once), you will essentially have one pot-sized bet to get all-in. Clearly that would indicate that there will be very little potential for play post-flop.
And like some others here, I’m not going to comment on what to do post-flop; just don’t get into this avoidable situation.
Regarding the comment that a lot of these questions seem to follow questionable play… I would say that part of good play is avoiding tough decisions. This question is a concrete example – if you push or fold in this situation, there’s no quiz question post-flop. I would say that questionable moves lead to tough decisions… and thus DHQ fodder.
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Agreee with so many of the above folks… To take it back a step, I’m all in pre-flop. You have 5190, blinds are 600, and we are on the bubble. I push this without hesitation. Chances are the SB lays down the 7s in that situation, and we pick up a couple of blinds.
But the UTG raise is just plain old ugly. you let the big stacks get in on the cheap.
In the given situation, I’m checking, and folding to any bet, unless the A drops, in which case I need to make a play.
If we shove at this point, if SB has even low pair hes calling us, and the chance that hes holding the K is too great as well, meaning that our 10 is worthless.
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When you’re dealt an above-average hand out of posish with an M under 6, I think that the best play would have been to shove all-in pre-flop. Even if you knew that your opponent had pocket 7′s, a push is still justifiable. 77 vs AT only makes you an 11/9 dog.
I can understand calling and check/folding in order to make the money, but it would probably be the best play to push in order to have a chance to win the tournament.
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