
Game type: No limit holdem tournament on Poker Stars
Stage of tourney: Deep ITM, small bubble in 3 players
Avg stack: ~2.2 million
Your image: Fairly solid
Opponent’s image: No read
Your hand: 4♦4♣
This quiz is taken from actual game play in the Poker Stars Sunday Million on 1/6/08
The setup: You’re deep in the Sunday Million. 30 of over 7000 starting players remain. At 27 the money jumps about $1100. This is the first hand after the conclusion of a 5 minute break.
You’re dealt fours UTG+1. UTG folds and you raise to right about 225k. One player folds and the next shoves all in for about 840k more. The table folds back to you.
There’s a little over 1.5 million in the middle. The blinds will jump to 65000/130000/10000 in 15 minutes. What’s your play?
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Fold those crappy 4′s. You have enough chips to look for better chances than calling this.
I would say the villain has at least 1010+ or AK. Considering the dealer has you both covered he cant really be attempting a squezze play so he obviously likes his hand.
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So what, you got a pair? Even if our opponent played with absolute rubbish cards, you are still running at a coin flip for a majority of your chips and possibly the tournament.
Courtesy of pokerstove:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.657% 50.14% 00.51% 3302142624 33912174.00 { 44 }
Hand 1: 49.343% 48.83% 00.51% 3215554212 33912174.00 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
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No reason to call, lots of reasons to fold. The hardest here is to have the discipline to make the right fold (sure, you will win sometimes, but not most of them).
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I agree you have to fold here, I might have thrown away the 4s preflop. This is a critical point in the tourney – your M is a bit over 5 and you need to be very careful.
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I’m with Matt……why the heck did we raise, early, with 44?
Doesn’t matter now. Pitch the fours.
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Fold, fold, foooold!!!
And as the other players wrote: Just fold the hand in this position. In a later position an openshove is a possability, but giving people a chance to come over the top here seems strange. And from early position this small raise is silly if you are not prepared to fold.
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in my opinion he should have called before and not raised, maybe the other guy didnt go all in then…
anyway i would fold pocket 4s almost for sure
i agree with cristiano this is mainly a matter of discipline
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Our opening raise looked a little weak here (just barely over the minimum raise), but despite the fact our opponent could be taking advantage of that, we have to fold here. He’s in about the same chip position as us and with several people to act behind him, it’s very unlikely he’d risk his tournament life on less than a stellar hand. He’s either even with us (suited-connected paint) or has us crushed. Why bother flipping a coin right now with those odds. Wait for a better spot.
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Fold.
First off, to contradict what others said here, you’d love a coin flip here… there’s half a million chips in dead money there. That easily subsidizes a coin flip. If you knew, 100%, that the villain had AK here, you should insta-call, and it’s not even close.
The reason to fold is not to avoid a coin flip, but it’s to avoid being crushed by an overpair. Even if it forms just a small part of his range, it screws up your odds, as there are very few hands that you are a substantial favorite over, and almost none that would be part of his range.
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Easy fold.
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I agree with a lot of what Zot said but I don’t still want to go out of the tournament calling an all in with pocket 4s.
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44 is a useless hand unless you have a manageable number of people to the flop AND you hit your set. I wouldn’t even have raised.
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I mostly agree with what Zot says, but I’m even less convinced that the overpair skews the statistics as badly. If he has an overpair 45% of the time, you still have a positive expected value by calling. (Don’t forget, you should still win 18-19% (depending on suits) of the time if he has pocket aces). If he only has the overpair 30% of the time, you’re getting an expected value of over $100,000.
If you’re better than the other players, fold, and outplay them later. If you’re worse than the other players, take the coin flip so you don’t need to outplay them. Seriously.
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It’s a marginal call in cash play but it’s a clear fold in tournament play. The mistake was to raise-min, a limp, a fold or a raise 3xBB were better options.
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never… and i mean never… play small PP late in a tourney with high blinds in early position. waste of money.
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“I’m with Matt……why the heck did we raise, early, with 44? ”
QFT
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