I would probably have played it the same as genius, and been rather unhappy that he had a better flush (hoping that when the river hit, Townsends check raise on the turn meant he had a pair of aces or two pair)

Check raising the turn is also good, because as the staff suggest, if you chase the marginal hands away its a good result. In this case though, I reckon all my moneys going into the middle when the river hits, regardless of how the turns played. 30K down the drain, doh.

I voted check-call. I don’t disagree that it’s weak, but we don’t have a made hand yet and I’m trying to control pot size.

I voted lead small, like $700-$800. Unless he has a decent Ace, he’ll probably just call. Based on the size of the pre-flop raise, I’m putting him on either a weak ace, a small to middle pair, or a small to medium suited connecter. I think all of those hands will call your bet and you’ll be building the pot a little, as well as disguising your holdings, if you connect on the river. He’ll be putting you on a weak ace yourself, or a bluff; probably not a draw.

OUCH that sucks for genius. i probably would have done the same thing as each of those players

check-raise. worked to perfection.

I wonder what the comments would be if what actually happened was that a red card hit the river and the opponent had A10? Which is a very likely scenario in this spot.

The staff analysis that you are getting proper odds to call with the draw here is incorrect. Assuming the flush draw is good, with the gutshot you have 13 outs and therefore need better than 2.54 to 1 to be getting drawing odds (with no fold equity). If he bets 75% of the pot or more, again very likely, you are not getting odds and are making a total donk call with this draw.

That ace is trouble here. I don’t like playing after a check at all, because with that ace hitting the chances of him folding to a check-raise go down considerably. I’d lead or check-fold.

I voted check call. We have an open ended straight draw, not a gutshot, and a strong flush draw…meaning if he bets reasonable amount, we see a flop for the proper odds. I wouldve bet the flop, but given this situation sure, we lower our implied odds as we give away the draw witha check call, but we control the pot and play the math correctly. He could easily have had us beat off the flop, or have hit the ace, and a check raise seems like it would just get us in hot water unnecessarily unless a lot of factors come together, like hes on a draw too and we both hit the river. Thats a fairly unlikely scenario. The what actually happened part of these quizzes is pretty terrible for making purely philosophical arguments, because all the people who did what wouldve been right in this one specific case feel its the right way generally, and the other people appear to be wrong. Check call assures us we play for the proper amount of money, if we hit we bet out on the river, check fold if not. Lets say he hit the ace, or two pair, or flopped a set and slow played, or is just smelling we’re weak for whatever reason and we get reraised, now we have a lot of money in there, with only a draw to the river…..ouch

hey OPI, you don’t have a gutshot, you have a double gut. that’s 15 outs and most bets that aren’t full pot size will give you adequate direct check-call odds.

I like the check raise here.

I agree with the staff. The Ace a great card to let the villain bluff and also I feel it’s difficult for the villain to 3 bet without a very strong hand. I don’t see anything wrong with a lead here either. The issue I have with leading is that I think it’s more likely to get raised off our hand.

I think check calling is the worst option here b/c it doesn’t build a pot and if we hit our draw it becomes difficult to get paid. And also betting gives us the option of winning with the worst hand and winning bigger pots when we make the best hand.

Hate this - is it really strong enough for a check raise ? I think I’m in the doo-doo now cos there’s no way I’m folding before the river and its just not a great hand that I married. Reluctantly check call, without much expectation.