February 11, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: 100/200 No Limit cash on PokerStars
Your image: A little tight-passive
Opponent’s image: Fairly aggressive, on a bit of a downswing
Your hand: 8♥8♣

This hand is taken from actual gameplay at the 100/200 No Limit game on PokerStars during three handed action between Brian ‘aba20′ Townsend, teacuppoker and Genius28. This hand you’ll be standing in for teacuppoker.

The setup: You’ve been sitting back on your stack after a couple of decent wins early in the session when the following hand comes up. Preflop, Genius28 raises to $600 and aba20 folds. You call in the BB with eights, and flop an overpair:

5♦5♥2♥

You decide to check and Genuis28 bets $1000. You flat call and the turn puts a straight and a new flush draw on the board with the 3♦. You check again and Genius28 bets $2800 into $3300.

You’ve been playing a little passively and Genius has been pretty active. What’s your play with your baby overpair?


15 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

5types


Lead out then re-raise on the flop to see if hes actually got anything.

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Philes


“Even an idiot can catch a hand”.

You have to figure out is it him, or is it you. You’ve got one pair, and a middle pair at that. This isn’t the hand to raise your stack away. He’s got one card to make his move, and if he makes one, I don’t see calling it, with one middle pair. Yes, a lot of rivers could hurt you. But so would getting a lot of your stack in there, and facing a raise or a call. I’m willing to lose the hand. But I’m not willing to lose the hand for a lot of money. I call, and hope for the best.

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matt tag


I don’t like the check/call on the flop – either lead or check raise.

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Juddlinski


I put him on at least a big pair and fold. Live to fight another hand.

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Juddlinski


Oh, and 100% agree with Matt Tag above. I’d raise large on the flop. Which would have meant I wouldnt be in this position…

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JamesBong


I dont understand why everyone is scared here?!

We are three handed, hes been pretty active and aggressive, we get an awesome flop, he bites on both of our checks and now we need to protect against the draw heavy board.

I raise here. I guess he could magically have a 46, a 5, or a higher PP, but i doubt it.

He would have to do something really suspicious to get me to fold this hand.

Im pretty much ready to take his whole stack here.

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Brad


I agree with J.Bong, I don’t think there’s a lot of reason to be scared here. Only a possible overpair higher than my 8′s is a concern, but I’m ruling out the small straight, set of 5′s and even the flush draw. If he is on a flush draw then I raise very large here to take him off it, which could also take him off an overpair if he fears I have the set of 5′s. Either way, based on the given images, I’m prepared to take that chance with a large reraise here.

Also, I think it was just a horrible move to call the flop bet. Our hand was highly vulnerable, so that was our chance to reraise large and end the hand right there.

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_CityBorn_


I voted call. My thinking is like this:

Raise large: Maybe hes got nothing and we fold out a potential river bluff. On the plus side, maybe we fold out a draw that could hit. If we’re up against a draw, its at most 9 outs, 18%. If he reraises weve lost a bunch of extra money and have to fold. If he calls, we’re pretty much screwed because it would seem we’re beat. Then checking the river would signify surrender and lose us the hand even if we’re not behind, and betting out would be extremely dangerous since the turn call most likely meant we were behind to begin with. This seems like unnecessarily adding danger, as we fold out hands that are behind and will most likely stay behind, and we lose much more money to hands that have us beat.

Small raise: Keeps any draw in, and we wont know which one it is or how to gauge whether hes hit or not, so the river will become awkward. On the plus side, we add some money to the pot, so in the more likely event we end up with the best hand, we bet the river and he folds winning us a bit more. If he raises the river though, that puts us in a tough spot. +EV move on the turn, but will create a tough decision on the river, especially against a good opponent.

Call: This call is for pot control and ease of mind. If were ahead, were most likely going to stay ahead, and Im guessing my opponent will fire again after the river either way, knowing its his only way to take it down. That bet will most likely be something reasonable that we can call. Thats where we make up the money we lost by not raising the turn. If he makes his hand, we check call also, and lose (which we theoretically would have lost if we raised small on the turn also) …but the chances are against that and we lose a smaller pot then we wouldve if we raised small on the turn, he called, and we bet out the river. The idea here is that our hand is a small hand, and its the one play that will ensure this pot stays manageable regardless of outcome, but also maintains the opportunity to make more money on the river.

Weve been playing passively, so check/ calls on this board could mean anything from a draw to a full house. He will have to be careful betting the river, even with a big pocket pair or a set, especially if the river is red or low ranked.

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_CityBorn_


I just want to add I agree with everyone who said we should have bet or check raised the flop. I wouldve played this hand differently from the beginning, my comment is only how to play it given the current situation.

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knucklehead


so is the 2.5-3 x raise a small raise or a large raise?

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bornlooser


Make the small raise here. I’m going to the river, and I want to felt him. With my check on the flop and turn, it looks like I just caught a draw. I put him on Jack squat. He has two cards so his odds of catching one of them on the river is 12 %. I’ve got chips. I don’t see that he can put me on a small over pair and so I expect him to push and I’m going to call. If he doesn’t push I’m going to bet half his stack into him on the river.

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Ally


I agree with many of the comments about the play on the flop. I think we either should lead the flop or c/r the flop because it looks incredibly safe for us, but there are so many cards out there that can scare us off on the turn. We really should want to end this hand now on that safe of a turn.

However, considering that we played the flop passive, we are now in a little bit more of a tricky situation.

I really don’t like a check/raise here after the turn. We’re folding out only the hands that we’re ahead of and we’re basically going to commit our stack (or at least our opponents stack) when we’re behind. Our villain is probably taking the free card if he is on a draw. So, since I doubt he is on a draw, we are definitely way behind or way ahead. If our villain has an overpair, a 5, a full house (hand like 22), we’re drawing to 2 outs. If our opponent has a smaller pair (something like 77), we are way ahead–no need to protect our hand. And, if our opponent has two overcards (KQ/KJ for example), they are only looking at six outs to take the pot, putting us as an 88% favorite.

So, from a value perspective, a check/raise here gets us no value whatsoever. Our villain takes the free card on a draw, so only fires a second barrell when they’re sure they’ve got the best hand and are betting to protect their own hand against our potential draw or they simply don’t think we’re that strong and that they can take the pot.

I think a call does everything we want. First, we control the size of the pot. While we can expect to face a larger bet on the river when we’re behind (or our opponent cathes one of 6 outs), there’s also a chance that they bluff the river again (putting us on a drawing hand that missed). I think we can call the turn and then check/call any river. If our villain shoves the river, we may have to think twice about the plan, but I’m calling here with the intent of c/c the river.

I have to say though that I really don’t like the play here on the flop.

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jack in the box


ally wins

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alloo


Why double him up? we’re not sure about the hand and we don’t have a 56, 54, 53, 5x. Besides, there are only two cards to improve.

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Brain


A raise here is super dumb.

Flat call on the turn and hope the heart doesn’t hit.

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