AK preflop with a LAG image facing a fourth raise, no limit cash

The fact he reraised to 90 instead of all-in(130) is screaming “I have KK or AA”. Instant fold.

Fold. I find it hard to think we can be in a very good spot in this situation. Also, there are 2 players left to act behind us.

If I was him, with all those callers I would reship with AQ or maybe even AJ a lot too. I find it hard to fold AK here, when he is lag, you are lag, and you are getting 1.5 to 1 odds besides.

Oh, I just looked and realized the player had 220 instead of 130; at 130 I do exactly as said above, those 90 more chips are the key in folding this hand instead of going all the way.

A fold is probably the best choice if you were to leave this table immediately, but if you push people are going to be extremely afraid of you and you might be able to steal a lot more pots later. The dead money already in the pot will make this play only slightly -EV.

“The fourth raise means Aces”
-Phil Gordon

(amended for this exercise to include KK as well vs. LAG opponent)

But it’s only the third raise. Your raise would be the fourth… representing Aces

Easy fold. Not much of a quiz. I have a hand from last night I wanna hear some feedback on. Yes its low stakes and may have been horribly played but let me know what you do in this scenario:

Game: NL .25/.50 live
Avg stack: $30
You have: ~$45
Image: Strong aggressive
Opponents: Both loose and passive. CO has been attempting some new plays
CO has you covered and SB short stacked

What happpened, Q8c in BB check with three callers
Flop: Ac 3c Kd
UTG bet 4x
You Call, CO calls
Turn: Ad
Checks around
River: 4c
SB bets $3, I call, CO raises to $10, SB folds… whats the move with 2nd top flush?

You have to fold here. You have a drawing hand, hes got a pair. If youre lucky, his pair is something other then KK or AA, but it could easily be one of those. Now, assuming were lucky enough to be up against QQ or lower, two other people called 22 dollars preflop behind you and therefore most likely have some of your outs. With your very LAG image, and this guy screaming hes got a monster, a re-pop even all in wont get much respect, youre sure to get called and be a dog. Calling 90 bucks with 4 or 5 outs at best to hit a flop (and maybe still not be ahead is a horrible move. Hurts, but you gotta lay it down…its just not a good situation.

Forgot to sign my name to the anonymous comment above.

“The fourth raise means Aces”
-Phil Gordon

LOL that quote is just so wrong for online games. I 4-bet bluff A TON…and am very often 4-balling TT+/AK (even AQ sometimes) for value. Maybe for live donks this is true, but it isn’t even close for online cash…even at lower stakes.

Example (this happens routinely to me…my image is always terrible):

FullTiltPoker Game #4092607997: Table Clydene (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold’em - 22:11:52 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: frogsplash23 ($99)
Seat 2: Andy502006 ($88.35)
Seat 3: U2KILLERS ($125.20)
Seat 4: CaptainOrgasmo ($254.15)
Seat 5: omgSoSick ($110.70)
Seat 6: XxAceBulitsxX ($179.30)
frogsplash23 posts the small blind of $0.50
Andy502006 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CaptainOrgasmo [As Kc]
U2KILLERS has 15 seconds left to act
U2KILLERS folds
CaptainOrgasmo raises to $3.50
omgSoSick has 15 seconds left to act
omgSoSick raises to $12
frogsplash23 stands up
XxAceBulitsxX folds
frogsplash23 folds
Andy502006 folds
CaptainOrgasmo raises to $28
omgSoSick raises to $110.70, and is all in
CaptainOrgasmo calls $82.70
omgSoSick shows [Ah Th]
CaptainOrgasmo shows [As Kc]
*** FLOP *** [2s 9d 3c]
*** TURN *** [2s 9d 3c] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [2s 9d 3c 8s] [Qs]
omgSoSick shows Ace Queen high
CaptainOrgasmo shows Ace King high
CaptainOrgasmo wins the pot ($219.90) with Ace King high
omgSoSick is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $222.90 | Rake $3
Board: [2s 9d 3c 8s Qs]
Seat 1: frogsplash23 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Andy502006 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: U2KILLERS didn’t bet (folded)
Seat 4: CaptainOrgasmo showed [As Kc] and won ($219.90) with Ace King high
Seat 5: omgSoSick showed [Ah Th] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 6: XxAceBulitsxX (button) didn’t bet (folded)

Fold your AK to the obvious AA or KK and fold the large river raise holding a flush to a probable full house.

Simple fold. Another example of people overplaying the Andrei Kirilenko.

And if you watch AK-47 play… you know that he can do some real work, but he is fragile.

As for the flush scenario from PM… this is
more than likely bad advice, but I’d call.

Chad,
That is a good point, however you have to realize that after your 3bet 2 people called a 4bet here is VERY powerful. Now HU I would go broke here a lot as 4 bets are normal online but with my image and OR image it is an easy fold.

All I’m saying is the 4th raise isn’t “always Aces” or anywhere near it. I get 5-bet shoved on by mid pairs, AQ/AJ, Axs, and even total air. It’s just too image/flow dependent to make absolute statements like that.

chad makes very good points

i push all in “he could have nothing”

push for advertisement, then tighten up… just… a notch…

if you win, just as well