Top pair against an aggressive opponent’s turn raise, high stakes no limit cash

“don’t go broke on one pair”.

It puzzles me why most players want to play huge pots with weak one pair hands. Just asking to be drawing dead. I never would have let the pot get that big to start with. Just a simple call preflop rather than the reraise, followed up by a check call on the flop. At most, another check call on the turn and a dump on the river. Maybe not even a turn call. You can beat an under pair, top pair worse kicker, and a bluff. Would your opponent go off huge with top pair worse kicker or the under pair? Doubtful, so basically he has to be bluffing for you to win a big pot. But as usual, it all depends. If he’s wildly aggressive, then maybe yes.

sadly you have to fold. the staff has a great point about sizing your bets.

I’m broke. Bad read, I put him on a pair of 5’s, not 4’s….whoops.

I’m actually pretty surprised he shoved here when he made his set. It’s a pretty tricky move that almost made it seem like he was trying to buy the pot, but it’s definitely not a value bet. I didn’t want to believe he was holding pocket 4’s, but a pair does make sense considering his flat call of my reraise from position. I hate poker.

This guy is playing high stakes? This is possibly the most badly played hand I’ve seen in a while on here and he’s playing it for a pot that is higher than my annual income.

First off, I hate the minraise from the SB with a marginal hand like A9o. We’re giving our opponent to basically call with any two cards and then we’ll be stuck playing a bigger pot out of position with a marginal hand. I don’t hate a strong lead on the flop as we’ve got about the best flop we could get and we should find out pretty quickly what we’re up against. We can’t like the flat call though. Now, we are playing a bigger pot out of position and it’s likely that our opponent either has us crushed or is on a draw. I think we need to bet again on the turn, but probably not as much–maybe 1/2 pot or so. This can help us control the size of the pot and may induce a bluff on the river if we check when a blank hits.

In any case, we have shown extreme strength the entire hand easily suggesting an overpair to the board and our opponent puts us all in. If they can beat our overpair, then they can beat top pair and if they have a set, we are drawing dead. Pretty easy fold here, but I think we get ourselves priced in to stack off by playing such a big pot here. Don’t donk minraise preflop out of position. But, having hit the flop, go ahead and lead out strong and then then go into pot control mode on the turn/river. If they shove the turn, we can figure that we’re beat.

I’m not really liking genius’s call on the flop either. Sure, there’s a chance that we have air with no broadway cards hitting, but if we have an overpair, he’s really looking at two outs. And, since the odds of hitting one of two outs is about 4% on the turn, we need to be able to win 25X our investment to be +EV. And, since we don’t have $100k behind, you really can’t call off $4k with these odds. And, the fact is, even if we had $100k behind, the chances of us paying you off that much would be very small. Yeah, maybe he’s got the best hand and maybe he can sense weakness on the turn and then bet to take down the pot, but there’s also the chance that we’ve already hit a set.

Can’t wait to get my bankroll up to a level high enough to play these guys…

You do not put in half your stack then fold. That does not mean that you absolutely should not fold here. It means that you screwed up your pot control if you intended to fold here. In particular, I call into question the baby re-raise pre-flop.

Contrary to the staff recommendation, I think you do have to call in this situation. I do think that you are ahead here a third of the time, mixing in semi-bluffs and weaker hands playing against a would-be semi-bluff.

It’s true that you got yourself in a mess, having bet $20,800 with only $20,000 left holding a weak pair. Any opponent who would call the flop bet with a small pocket pair is capable of making this raise with a flush draw on the turn. It’s a tough call between paying him off or not and it would totally depend on your read and experience with this player.

Recommend giving it up after the flop call and making your standard bet size closer to 70% of the pot at 6-max tables.

If you bet pot on the flop and he calls, give it up. end of story. Once there was that much money in, I figured I had some type of read so I called. I’d have had me on a possible 9cTc and if I had that he shouldn’t have bet his set. Ditto city born with the 55 66 77 I went broke. OTOH he should not have been calling pot on the flop with two over cards and an oe straight flush draw.

Lay it down… If i’m gonna make a bad play on this hand, its gonna be an all in on the flop, protecting my 9s and praying he doesn’t have an over pair.

However, once he pops off at me on the turn, even though I wasn’t suspecting 4s, I have to know that I’m either beat, or will be by the river. Just not worth it.

Everyone who spoke on pot size control.. kudos

I also can’t even imagine playing for this amount of money sitting at home in my underwear. Insane.

reading the comments and i still think most people missed the point. this COULD be a bluff, i see it all the time. especially if you fold here, your setting yourself up for a pattern of people out-aggressifying you and eventually you call… only to see the 44 that your drawing dead against.

What is the morale?

You catch on to the DHQ theme of the week:
bet sizes!
pot control!

these are the things that get you the extra bit of read and extra options

in this situ, we bet pot and he made a bad call and “got there on the turn”. remember how he took down with the river flush a few hands ago?

this guy is agg and loose… so hes making bad calls and getting rewarded.

so your pot bet, although most times its right, doesnt get him off the bad call.

might as well have bet ~80%. then when he calls you bet 80% again. then when he shoves, you saved a few K. fine, let him keep making bad calls on the flop. the vast majority of the time he doesnt hit and you can cont bet the turn/river and probably get called down.

as this keeps happening, you will be getting chips on hands he shouldnt have called and eventually double up when he shoves his two pair to your set, etc.

I fold. This sounds exactly like the sort of hand I used to get suckered into losing lots of chips when i first started playing the game…

You gotta fold here. This is just poor poor play, preflop by me and post flop by the moron that calls a pot sized bet drawing to a 2 outter.

If he has something big we are probably drawing dead. If he has nothing he will make this stupid play again and we’ll take his stack later with top set.

The call is marginal, but i think that you can make it. As demonstrated, Genius called the flop with an underpair because he suspected the bluff, when actually jepsen was protecting a weak top pair. When genius hits his 4, his shove here is a great play, because it is what a lot of people would do with a good draw or a weak pair. My belief is that Genius still makes the shove there without hitting his 4. Though the call for all his money is not great, Jepsen had the right read here.