King Jack preflop facing a three-bet shove, no limit tournament

This isn’t a cash game!

Fold and don’t try to steal that guy’s blind again! You still have plenty chips to wait for a better situation to gamble.

I think this is a fold.

I understand that he is often bluffing, as was the case, and you have to consider that. But I dont think I would call anyway.

I you had seen him do this several times, the call would be more tempting. But if this is only 2. time you see it, it is not a solid read. And CO-1 is really more of a middle position than a late position.
Also if your hand had been an other marginal hand like AJ, you would be in front vs A-rag and KQ. KJ is behind too often imho.

So basicly, I think I would need a more solid read to call this, than what is presented in the quiz.

@Geronimo
I think giving up playing villain is a bit too weak though.

Ok, calling is pretty slim IMO but the best option for several reasons.

CO and CO+1 have become the stealing positions b/c the button is pretty obvious. The fact this is the second time you raised in two hands gives you less credibility for a real hand.

The BB knows you can raise say top 30% here b/c of your position. Also, you were recently moved to this table so he knows that you know ppl are less likely to make moves against you given your image. So he can re raise a VERY wide range and pick up this pot.

Also, he has a really good restealing stack with 20 BBs given you raised 2+1/2 BBs. With the blinds and antes there is almost 2k in there.

Finally, who from this table is gonna re raise you when you try to steal??? Absolutely no one without a good hand. You will appear to be a maniac which is perfect for stealing and also makes it less likely you will be bluffed from this table.

All that said, you have KJo facing a reshove. You really do not have a great hand but against his range, its close but I call

This is the worst daily hand quiz i have ever seen. WTF.. KJ raise, guy shoves… standard fold… NEXT

Thanks for those insightful comments jynxurhand!

I’m folding. Guys like this are usually shoving a weak ace and I’d rather find a better spot to get my money in.

The problem with this hand is that you did not give yourself enought pot odds to call here. You have a decent hand and you gaave the blinds enought fold equity to shove. At this stage, IMO you should have bet around 2.4-3.6K showing the table that you are not kidding about this particular hand (and by the way, you are not since you are late position with two high cards giving you at least a 40% win chance most of the time.
After betting this much though, IMO, I would only fold agains a reraise + 1 caller. Calling this shove from the BB in the given scenario would have been a much easier call.
So I say fold because you screwed up betting so low.

He has an A. The BB thinks you are stealing so he agocra with weak A. Easy fold in this spot. I’m really surprised by the call maybe still in Rebuy mentality.

what? why would you call? i didnt get the logic… because we know we are at least a little behind… or possibly crushed?

no way am i throwing in my whole stack with KJ off just cuz this guy shoved PF a few hands ago.

if he was a small stack… if it was a different spot in the tourney… if we WERE still in rebuy period…. many ifs, but absolutely zero chance I call this.

overthinking this and deciding it could be close is bad all together IMO, and i dont subscribe the tourney mentality “might as well get the chips in with neutral EV”… there is almost always a chance to get your chips in with much better odds.

calling with KJ off… pff… both the hero and the villain bust in the next 15 minutes.

Cristiano, why would you bet 2.4k into a 800 pot??? You are pot committing yourself when there is no need. If the CO or button shoves, which probably means a genuine hand, your in trouble. and also its not a reraise +1 caller, its just a shove. No callers here

Easy fold. Not risking the tourney on KJo. I would put him on a mediocre A (which he in fact had) or a middle pp, so either way I’m behind. If I’m chip leader and he is short stacked, it’s a closer call, but I’m not going out like this…

Yeah, even though I’ve made this mistake a few times myself, I have to disagree with the staff here. KJ is just not strong enough to risk your tournament life with. Don’t be distracted by the pretty faces. If you’re gonna play KJo, try and see the flop and hope your villian isn’t holing pocket 2’s

Oh my God. It’s a miracle that I don’t do better at tournaments based on some of these responses. Of course, it almost always seems that my AQ or QQ gets sucked out on here.

This is such an easy fold and it isn’t even close.

Arguments for calling: we are a donk luckbox that likes to deal out bad beats and if we win here, we will have the chips to risk later to suck out on someone else.

Arguements for folding: we could be dominated, we could easily be behind a hand as weak as A-rag, at best we’re in a coin flip situation, we are no way pot-committed, we still have a workable stack, we can no doubt find a better spot to put our money in.

Don’t seem to be so blunt about this one, but it’s one of the more fairly obvious answers I’ve seen.

As far as the play goes, I like a raise there with KJ. We have a relatively good hand in position. When we see a shove though, we can pretty much figure that we don’t have the best of it and no longer hold any positional advantage.

This type of situation is exactly why we should be able to open our stealing range quite a bit. If we are going to fold a hand as good as KJ (or a weak ace for that matter) to a shove, then we might as well steal with any two cards.

While constant stealing itself may not necessarily be +EV (you will face many more resteals), you totally get paid off when you face a resteal and you hold a hand as good as AQ/AK or JJ+.

Geronimo’s comment confuses me. In a cash game this is an auto-fold. You never want to get your money in as a dog on someone’s range. In a tournament, you have to do that sometimes because you’ve got constantly increasing blinds and no ability to reload you stack. So you have to make plays that will result in having a relevant stack.

That said, in this situation you are short-stacked but you still have some serious folding equity. Anyone who calls your all-ins at this table is crippling their stack. I think the fact that you still have enough chips to get respect at this table makes this a fold. If the average stack was closer to 20k OR if my stack was closer to 5-6k, I would be much more likely to call here and take my stand as a dog to get my stack more relevant.

I agree with everybody who disagreed with the staff. Usually even if I disagree with the staff, I can understand why they have their opinion, but this just seems bad….its an auto-fold. Im not putting my tourny on the line as a guaranteed dog, without even the proper odds, with still a decent stack. I dont include j/10 in their range either, and as for my image…folding to a large reraise happens all the time, and as long as its not happening to you constantly, no one will think much of it.

Lay it down, then put some eye drops in his drink when hes not looking.

KJo is the hand you’re dealt after a long, cold run, that will usually end your tournament life. It’s the impatient man’s minimal starting hand.

KJ off isn’t the hand to gamble and get lucky with. You want a pocket pair or an ace (preferably suited), suited big cards, or suited connectors.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, you want some fold equity - that is, you want to be the one shoving, not caling.

In fact in the middle stages if I am average stacked or under I like to gamble on a 3-way all-ins with suited connectors or even suited one-gappers and either triple up or leave.

KJ off isn’t a hand you should be calling a push with when you have so many chips behind you and a decent m…. you should fold and keep in mind that this player likes to squeeze people out of hands… then smash this player with a premium hand

Yeah this is an easy fold, just move on to the next hand.

Calling here is bad, but I don’t think it’s as bad as people are making it out to be. It is negative EV, just not horribly so.

If the villain has a pocket pair (under jacks), this is just about EV neutral. My opinion is that the stacks aren’t quite short enough to invite a race at this point, but if you 100% that this was a pocket pair, I could see calling.

If the villain has an ace with a weak kicker, you’re negative EV to about 700 chips. Calling that is just bad.

I think these are the most likely holdings. You might find some weaker Broadway hands here, but you also might find stronger aces. And the end of the day, I would say calling has an EV of losing 300 chips. Not a horrible move, but by no means a good one either.

I fold…last night I called and lost to pocket Ts in same situation

Perhaps I’m way too conservative in tourneys, but I don’t see how being a 2 to 1 dog can be described as “surprisingly good”. Like most of you, I’m waiting for a better spot. Ace-rag or small PP was my first thought - this is a no brainer.

I like when people say, “Well if I only had an m of 6″ or “if it was still in the rebuy”… the idea of these questions is to stretch it to the point of an either/or decision. And anyone who doesn’t see this as a close call is a donater.

Reads are everything and they are also set up in this quiz to make it the closest possible call… the earlier re-steal and your earlier steal tilts this in the favor of a call but by the barest of margins. As an example say you had a much better read on this guy and knew he had a crazy wide range in this instance…? is it still an ‘auto fold’?

IMO If you give in here you are going to face a worse spot than this very soon (as you get blinded down waiting for your ‘premium cards’ to punish the restealer).

I think its a pretty close spot.
But with a desnecessary shove, i put the BB in AQ/AK or a small/medium PP.
If he have AK we are in trouble. But i catch that coin flip with this odds.