
Game type: NLHE tournament, $200+16 on Full Tilt
Stage of tourney: ITM, 45 / 4,025 remain
Avg stack: 275k
Your image: You are relatively new to the table and have been quiet in your orbit or so since being moved.
Opponent’s image: Big stack has been very active, BB hasn’t done much
Your hand: 6♦6♥
The setup: You’re deep in the money of the Full Tilt Sunday. When the next player gets knocked out, everyone moves up $400 in prize money. You moved to this table about 8 hands ago and haven’t done much of anything since.
UTG is the chipleader for the tournament and has been very active preflop in your small sample. This hand, he raises it up again to about 2.5x, which has been his standard. The table folds to you on the hijack and you decide to flat call and play position. The CO, button and SB folds, but then the BB re-shoves for about 120k more.
UTG insta-folds.
What’s your play with 66?
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Easy fold.
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easy call.
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You are getting your back money 3 times on the call, so it is a standart call. I would even do it with 32o.
I’m not sure the call pf was good. But I must admit that I’m not that good at playing small pp both before and after the flop.
I would call with weak hands like AJ or suited broadway and raise my premium hands. I don’t see how 66 can be EV+. Let’s say the flop was J95, and he made a continuation bet, what would you do?
Martin Carlsson
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Fold – you are getting 2 to 1 odds which are OK if you think he does not have anything. But given the betting – I would assume he has a strong hand.
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As stated by the staff, his raise does not necessarily means a strong hand. It does represent a strong play, but not necessarily a good hand and IMO there is indeed some chance you are not running into a higher pair, and therefore having more than the proper odds to call.
On the average you are getting the right price to call and losing this hand does not hurt you much. Plus, you are showing you cant be pushed aroud even this late in the tournament, which is crucial to your image.
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This is a very tough one to decide on.
First of all, pot odds. You are getting 2 to 1 for your call. If you are against 2 over cards (which is his most likely holding), it’s 50-50, so it’s very correct to call, since the pot odds are very attractive. On the other hand, should he hold an overpair, you’re a 4-1 dog, and that’s bad! I think it’s very unlikely he is holding a premuim pair, since he probably wouldn’t push with A-A or K-K, but it is very possible he is holding J-J to 8-8. In this case, you are in real trouble.
I think he is on a big Ace. A-K, A-Q or even maybe A-J or A-10. In this case, you probably should call given pot odds.
But, what everyone is missing is that we are in a tournament. In a tournament, it’s not only odds that should go into our decision. In a cash game, I’d probably call, if I really think my opponent has 2 overcards, in a tournament, it’s completely different.
In tournaments, I hate to put in a lot of money in the middle without a real hand. Even with really strong hands, I will be reluctant to putting my money in the middle. In tournaments, I like to stay out of troubles way. Sure, if you want to win, you have to take risks, but you have to measure the consequences of these risks.
Now, should you call and lose the hand, you’re down to 400k approximately. You still are ok, but you have lost about a quarter of your stack on 6-6, that isn’t nice. Should you win, your stack will become 750k, which is great. You can see that this call is worth about 350k, the difference between a win and a lose.
Now, if you lose the hand, you’re not desperate, you’re still ok. If you win the hand, you become a strong force!
Now, as for the decision, I think you should call.
The odds make the call acceptable, since our opponent most probably has just two overs. The second point is a loss wouldn’t hurt us as much as a call would benefit us.
I would reluctantly call, but I think a call is still the right move. I hate to put many chips in the middle with 6-6, but this is one of the only times I may do it! I don’t think I’ll do it many more times though.
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Very easy call IMO.
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who is ally fooling with the assumed name? we know its you.
i voted call, and usually would.
every once in a while i remember that its better not to race for big chunks of your stack in a tourney, since i can usually get them in with a better advantage.
but once i called the UTG raise, im definitely calling the shortstack shove.
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2-1 odds w/66? Really? Could I ask for anything more?
Seriously though… with an M of 5, the BB has a great chance to pick up a tremendous amount of dead money, and if he is lucky enough to win the hand, he will be above average with only 45 left. The squeeze looks dangerous on its own, and an unassuming player may not read the situation well enough and lay down a hand like 66. Overall, I like the BB push, and I like our call as well – I don’t think either move could have been better. Remember as well, that the pot was padded with about 37k from the UTG raise and the SB, which is just icing for both the raise and the call.
It might look frightening to know that the BB is giving us 2-1 odds, but that’s not enough of an argument to give those awesome odds up. If we lose, we’re still well above average, and we still have most of the table covered. Definite call, no question.
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I wouldn’t have called with 66, saying that now that we are heads up, its a blind, its a bubble, its less than 20% of my money, it knocks someone out. I call.
But I could have easily thrown away the 66 before calling the BB, let alone an early position raiser.
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Call… fairly close, but a clear decision to me.
There is a lot of dead money in there. As has been stated, you are getting 2-to-1 odds. If you can expect to win 35% of the time here, calling is positive in chip value. If half the time you are facing a couple of overs and the other half an over pair, you have the odds. I think we are facing overs more often than an over pair here, and doesn’t even count feasible cases such as 44 or A5s.
It is a straight-forward call if this were a cash game, but this is a tournament, and races generally aren’t favorable in tournaments. I’d still call though, because I think the edge in odds is substantial.
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Call all day.
Hes obviously making a move, and I give a decent range on the hand… He figures hes got the best hand at the table, but doesn’t want to see a flop out of position, especially against 2 bigger stacks. He can’t make any sort of raise without committing himself pretty hard as it is, so he shoves.
with 6s you have to figure hes holding 2 overs regardless… Good spot for a race. You can abosrb the hit if you lose, and if you win, you’ve moved everyone a step closer to the end.
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Classic case of getting yourself into trouble through bad play. That call…tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you can argue either way what to do. I voted fold, but probably depends on my mood. The point is, you should have thought about this possibility before calling.
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