Nut flush on the turn multi-way with deep stacks, nl cash

Call. It’s more profitable because of the calling station yet to act. If our turn action here closed the betting for the turn (i.e. if it were heads up), it’d be an obvious raise.
But the player still to act, especially the fact that he likes to call, makes me prefer a call here in order to extract an extra bet from my opponents. Best case scenario, UTG+1 picked up a lower flush and raises it up, and then regardless of SB’s action you can repop it nicely.
A call makes the most sense here for the MOST value, MOST of the time.

i opt to raise in the situation.youve got the nut flush.if another heart comes on the river,you arent going to get anything out of your opponant.even if he he catches a smaller flush on river and bets out,hes gonna fold to any significant raise at that point.why not raise on the turn,when you hit it,and you already know hes gonna call you because hes already got the image of a calling station

The best is raise minimum

Doing that you can increase the pot, coz you have a calling station and a raises front you!

And the minimum raise shows you are fragil, looking a baby flush, or 2 low pairs. But u have Nut Flush =D

Jeremy, by defintion, a calling station likes to call with stupid or weak hands. You argue that you call because he is a station? Raising is more obv for that reason.

All in all its tight. But given these stacks, I think raising is the best simply b/c u want to build the pot quickly and I dont think a raise here would deter UTG+1 to call or raise a baby flush and probably get it all in on the river anyway

It’s tempting to just call here to try and squeeze a couple of extra bets out, but I have to go for a big raise - 4x-6x.
it’s worth taking the chance that both players will fold for the few times you will get to stack one of your opponents.
Given the deep stacks, you want to get as much money into the pot before the river as possible to maximise the potential of a big call/bet on the river.
Sure, most of the time you will make more money calling, but the odd time that one of them has a high flush or just gets it into their head that you’re bluffing (happens all the time at this level) you more than make up for it.
With smaller stacks this would be an easy call, but the stack potential makes it a big raise for me.

I disagree with the 3-bet. I think you have to flat call here and try to slowplay the hand. Taking a suited ace into a pot against more than one opponent is almost always more profitable than giving either player an excuse to get out of the hand when you make the nuts. Sure, another heart on the river may kill your action, but a raise here after you’ve already flat called once with a flushed board should have killed your action anyway. I’m surprised the SB called your raise. He must have been hoping to redraw to a boat. I think getting called here was the luck of him holding a strong hand.

I’m going to disagree with staff here today and actually come in with the majority of votes; a flat call.

Certainly there are risks and rewards with all of our plays (hell, we hold the nuts right now). We run the risk of another heart hitting the river (8 possible hearts) and killing our action, or the board pairing (12 cards could pair the board, but for us to be beat we have to assume that our villain has two of those cards–so maybe 10 cards which could beat us). If we raise it up, we risk folding out a lower flush or possibly even a set or two pair or anything else that our calling station behind us might hold. And, we risk folding out the SB as well since the flush is so obvious.

So, how do we maximize value? If this was a heads up hand, I really do like a raise here. Our villain will have a tough time figuring out if we are representing the flush or if we actually have the flush and they would be much more likely to pay us off with a lower flush.

But, because of the action behind us, that means that we can’t re-pop it there when it’s possible that the player behind us just turned the nuts (his utg+1 limp could easily fit into the range of a suited A-rag).

Therefore, I like the flat call. We’re giving the player behind us an opportunity to raise here if he in fact also caught a flush and he may flat call behind us with any single high heart or two pair or a set. We will possibly be gaining value from a player that is drawing dead. I think the real value in calling comes from opening the door to the player behind us. Let him raise with his flush or let him represent the flush with a raise. Either case, we can let him build the pot. If the SB comes along after his raise, we can then re-pop it to really force out any hand that could outdraw us.

As far as the whole hand goes, I’m not sure I like the play up to this point.

I think that I would have raised the flop bet to isolate and clear out utg+1, start building the pot earlier, and to take over control of the hand in position (after utg+1 folds). If we flat call like we did, and then the flush hits, we’re going to have a really tough time building a pot.

But, I really dislike the play of the SB here. If he flopped top two pair or a set, I like his lead out, but when he gets two flat callers and a flush hits the turn, he’s got to check here. I don’t hate a check/call here if he in fact has a set, but why lead into to possible flushes and then putting yourself to call a decent raise to see if you can fill up? If in fact our SB villain bet the flop with a semibluff on a flush draw, then I like his lead bet on the turn, but then he either has to fold to our raise or call turn and check/call river.

Call.
You already won, the only criterion here is *how much* you will win. Give them a free card. Hope they make their set. Their two-pair, even. Let them try and pot-size-bet you out of the pot, THEN raise.

You raise, there’s a pretty good chance they fold. Look weak.

Maybe I’m splitting hairs but you don’t have the nuts as was stated.

I posted too fast. I retract my last statement.

there is no worng play in this situation except folding - if you new what everybody had then yes there would be a correct play

this decision will be usually determined by your mood and the image you want to create at this particular time

I will say that I disagree with the staff’s reasoning that by raising to about $45 a smaller flush left to act will raise big - I think that size raise might slow him down to a call and then if another heart hits he folds - but if you call he will certainly raise big then you can get all-in with him, so I prefer the call in my current mood

i think most of the people disagreeing with raise are ignoring the fact that you’re playing effective stacks of ~175BB. most of the logic cited for calling is effective in a 80-100BB world, but the extra money makes a huge difference here - it’s another full pot-sized raise you have to get in to get all in. that, i think, calls for taking action now.

as usual, i agree with ally. and this tiem with onlinepokerincome as well.

they explained it more eloquently, but i agree that a call would be good. give the station after you a chance to call or make a bad bluff at the pot.

if they flat call, the SB needs to lead stronger to take the pot down, and you can make the river look like a steal, eliciting a bad call or reraise.

raising here will most often isolate and get a few more bucks in the pot, but i doubt were getting serious money in there without disguising the strength of our hand.

Call. You have no reason to even risk driving others out. Raise on the river but not before. Give them enough rope to hang themselves. At most, min raise, but I wouldn’t even do that.

If you get an action-killing card on the river, so be it. You’re not likely to get your opponents’ entire stacks in unless they have a Q- or J-high flush on the turn, which is a stroke of luck for you. And in such a situation even a heart on the river may not kill your action.

So keep as many people in as possible.

P.S. There’s a decent chance you are facing someone who paired his king; if you raise, do you think he stays in with a straight and a flush on the board?

CAll…Keep both players in game.

CALL. only because of the calling station yet to act, a raise would probably be enough to chase him out, and in the mean time would make it look like your on the flush draw to both opponents, and after the blank falls on 5th street, it would appear to most that you missed a flush draw and then when you bet out on the river, big, it would probably look to be a steal move, and the calling station might be in still, maybe not, but would probably fold, and then the LAG (if they hold anything) would probably look you up, but the key is with 2 calls on flop. and turn it would probably look to be that you are on the draw, and then you look like you’re stealing on the river.

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