Trip aces facing third raise on flop - high stakes cash
Thanks to HighStakesReport for the hand history.
Game type: 300/600 No Limit cash on Full Tilt Poker
Your image: Aggressive
Opponent’s image: Aggressive
Your hand: A♦9♠
This hand is taken from actual game play at the 300/600 NL holdem table at Full Tilt. This hand took place between David Benyamine and Urindanger. You’ll be standing in for Urindanger
The Setup: You’ve been playing a very aggressive game and so has Benyamine. In this hand he raises to $1800 and you call with A9o. The flop is delightful:
4♥A♥A♠
You decide to check and Benyamine bets $3000. You check raise to $7800. He goes into the tank for a bit and then re-raises to $15,600. What’s your play?
11.7.07 / 5am
Why do you want to give a card to a flush draw?
11.7.07 / 6am
Yeah. No way I call. Either my A is golden or I am going to take it in the pooper. I shove.
Some people like to call in this position to give the flush draw 1 more card but what are you gonna do if the flush comes out?
The only way I call here is if I am pretty sure the other guy has an A (we weren’t told what pre-flop looked like so we don’t have enough info to put Benyamine on a hand). If I think the other dude might have an A I might just call and then shove shove on the turn whether or not a flush hits. If it does he might even lay it down. Now that I think about it though, even that is pretty unlikely because we have given away that our hand is pretty strong here.
We eventually took it in the pooper. Ouch! That hurts. lol
11.7.07 / 6am
agree 100% w/ SS, my pooper is as sore as his.
I find it interesting that Benyamine didn’t check behind on the flop to disguise his hand. I guess he didn’t want the flush to come, either.
11.7.07 / 7am
Very tough hand especially heads up. You have to believe your hand is the best here. Only thing you could of done is try to control the size of the pot. Trips are not as strong as sets and a lot of us forget that. Anyway. I chose raise to protect against the flush.
11.7.07 / 7am
Im raising for value here. David could have a flush draw, a big pair, or any ace including weak ones Im ahead of and pay me off. If I flat call here, the idea would be to check the turn to induce a weaker hand to stab at it, but you also give a flush draw a chance to draw, or a boat draw a chance to fill, and he might check behind with any of these hands if they dont fill. He would therefore get a free turn AND river, and can drop it on the river, or call only a minimal bet if he doesnt improve. If he does improve youre stacked, if he doesnt you dont get paid, thats not the scenario we’re looking for. BUT, If you raise the flop, he could think he’s good, or his odds are good enough, and get his money in bad. If youre up against a bigger ace you might as well sign over the stack now….youre toast any way you play it.
11.7.07 / 8am
Why raise at all with such a weak hand. If the heart comes, easy to get away from. If you have the best hand, you don’t want to take the bet away from him. If you have the worst hand, you hold down your loss and he will stop betting if a heart comes. Why play such a big pot with such a weak hand?
11.7.07 / 8am
Trip aces heads up is a weak hand??
This is a hand that if your not looking to get the most money possible in heads up then ur just not playing correctly.
I personally like the call.. Because if you raise your NOT getting anything worse to call.
If he has A with a higher kicker well to bad ur losing ur money no matter what happens in the pot, same if he has 44.
By calling you let his more probable hands (Flush Draw, PP) to see a card and even two. Sure he may hit big..but it will generally be easy to know if he did and get out. More likely is the case that he misses both on the turn and river allowing you to get some more value out of the hand possibly. It can be tricky, but a good player will profit the most with this line of play.
11.7.07 / 9am
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11.7.07 / 9am
I think you really need to analyze David Benyamine and not the trip aces. What did he raise pre-flop? Yes, I know it is 1800. What I am saying is what are those two cards that David has? His small bet out on the flop was a trap bet and luckily for him Uri hit the triplets as well. So, when he comes back minimum, I don’t think you could ever shove there. I know I could not. You already know David does not have QQ or KK because he would have never bet the flop and he most likely would have check-called on the flop. I would have a hard time letting go the three aces but with David already putting 1/3 of himself in on a board like 4AA, and minimum raising at that, he has got a better Ace and you might as well kiss 9600 good bye and go for another hand. if anything, David is probably thinking you don’t think he has an ace or he thinks you are on the flush draw. After awhile this could become an easy let go but when I had it the first time I made the mistake of shoving. Luckily, it was not for a 100K pot. LOL! 
11.7.07 / 10am
I still disagree with the flop raise. When you win, you win just a little. When you lose, you lose your stack unless you improve. In my opinion, trips with small to medium kickers are always a weak hand even heads up. They win small pots & lose a big pots. I like playing hands that win big pots without having to improve.
11.7.07 / 10am
It’s sort of like the river logic. Don’t bet when the only time you get called is when you are beat. So set yourself up for a stack off situation when the only time you will get called is when you are beat.
11.7.07 / 10am
Tuff spot. You have to think your good here but I felted in a game on the very same hand Benyamine had vs 44. Same play postflop almost. WHere can you expect to say “I have a monster, and very small chances he has a bigger Ace or 44??? That is a discussion that prboably shows the difference between pros and amatuers like myself. However I played it the same way and voted raise to at least see where I was. Maybe a fold on the flop reraise is called for here. I don’t know yet but it is an interesting spot.
11.7.07 / 11am
odd.. i was one of 9% who voted fold. I know, trip aces heads up seems unbeatable.
But we showed great strength with the check/raise, and yet he comes back with a re-raise…. what do you think he has?
I wanted to call so bad, but my gut was screaming “fold, hes got a better ace”.
Its funny to me that people say “if hes got a better ace, then oh well, we lose”. what is he going to reraise with? KK? QQ? A8-A5 or A3-2? maybe so… but after that, really, what hands would he put in more chips in with at this point?
So either were best and we win 18k, no more, or we lose 65+k.
I say we lost 10k on a great hand and keep moving.
11.7.07 / 1pm
Alright, I am a minority today, but I’m voting to fold this and it really isn’t that close.
There are two friggin aces on the flop. I’ll tell you what, I don’t care if you’re playing your first poker tourney ever, but when you see two aces on the flop it’s as obvious as it gets. What I’m saying is that there isn’t some hidden oddball 2-gap straight that you could have flopped. No, it’s as clear as the nose on your face that a friggin monster hand is possible.
When such a hand is possible, and we don’t have it, it’s a good idea to stay far from harms way and just concede the hand. But, it’s also a good time to make an aggressive play on the pot since it’s possible to pick up a nice pot because our opponent cannot play on without a monster himself.
Having said that, doesn’t it seem ridiculously clear from the betting on this hand that we are crushed? Our opponent raised preflop, threw out a continuation bet into a pair of bullets on the board on the flop even though we called his preflop raise, and then minraises us when we check/raise this flop? Sure, we could have made an aggressive c/r play on this flop with air, but it’s also possible that we c/r with an ace on this flop which is why our opponent has to lay down his hand if he doesn’t have an ace. The fact that he min raises us again tells us that he at least has an ace.
So, we now know he has an ace, but where does he stand in the hand? He could raise here with a weak ace to test the waters, but would he really just min/raise? I think he would throw out a larger bet with a hand like A2/A3 or perhaps just flat call in position to see our action on the turn. The fact that he minraises is just asking us to put more money in the pot behind. It’s like the guy knows our exact hand–a weaker ace.
Since it seems to me that he knows we have a weaker ace, I think that puts his range on AK/AQ/AJ. He has to know that any stronger Ace than his would have re-popped preflop. So, I’m almost positive here that we’re up against a higher ace of 44 or A4 almost always.
It seems pretty clear that DB puts us on a weaker ace, but resigns himself to the fact that if we have A4 or 44 that he’s going to stack off.
Anyway, I think this is a very tough fold, but I honestly don’t think you’re going to see 3 bets on this scary flop without a hand that has you crushed.
11.7.07 / 8pm
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11.8.07 / 12am
I agree with ally and James bong. I think the push is the worst play here.
Why?
are you trying to protect your hand against the flush draw?
After we check raise him if he has a fulsh draw he either flat calls or pushes. I don’t think a flush draw min raises us there it just doesn’t make sense.
So why push? you are only getting called by a hand that crushes you.
There are two options here both are good options I think.
1. fold
2. call.
To call it is only 7800 more into about 35k
Is that 7800 not worth the infomation and the outs you are going to gain on the turn?
-plus the possibility of the flush draw accually completing since we know he doesn’t have it.
-or we could catch a 9
if it is a blank he will have to bet most of his stack on a bluff if he doesn’t have the A because he will think we have the flush draw at this point and at that time he has truly given his hand away and we can fold with more reason.
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11.8.07 / 8am
Ally, you are right to fold. Sometimes the right thing is not the popular thing but the fold is correct. Same thoughts as you (we agreed for once…lol)!
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