Aces vs. turn check-raise on safe board

99 is the only hand I can see out there beating us. I can’t see him calling a preflop repop with 8-9s. Can’t see him calling a strong flop bet with 44 (or any underpair). Can’t see two spades since he hasn’t bet yet. (possible, but unlikely IMO)

I expect him to turn over TT-KK.

Easy call. there is no way he can be put on any 8 so only hand to worry about is 99. With a flop of 2 spades and a strt draw I do not beleive he would ck raise if he hit full with 99 but would go to river hoping you hit flush,strt, or 2 pair to pay him off.

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Before betting the $110 you should have a plan of what to do in case your opponent check raises all in. If your plan was to fold then you should have never bet the $110 in the first place. Easy call.

I would also worry that he got bored and made a jackpot loose call; say 78/89 suited; since 99/88 are possible but just as unlikely. given the range of hands that beat me it is an easy call.

I think a hand range that is very likely here for the quiet image of our opponent is JT suited of spades, JT off suit, QQ or AK of spades. He calls preflop to see some action against a very aggressive opponent and with a hand like JTs he might not be in too bad of shape preflop and if he nails a good flop he has the advantage of check raising. This goes the same for about all of the four hands except for QQ, which allows him to really play a weak style post flop and save some chips if he finally realizes that I have AA or I totally tell him through my bets…which is clearly shown in the above diagram and then he can bluff me…which he ends up doing. I actually think we have mis-played this hand completely. We are giving our opponent way too much breathing air with a flush or straight draw showing. The proper bet into this 9-8-8-4 board with two spades is 200 dollars into 127 dollars. Our opponent has only 62 dollars invested at this point and if he has nothing, he is wasting his time throwing in his chips because you are obviously going to call based on your pot odds and if he has something say KK or QQ, he will fold it with his reputation thus far and that is okay. I think the result of this hand is not important. All that is important is the play and the opponent’s general range of hands. I look to see any of the four hands in this spot: JTos, JTs, QQ, or AK of spades. It is not an easy call unless you evalute this information and about the worst thing to do is poker is be in a situation where your opponent has control and you are faced with a call when you don’t have the absolute best and even if you do have the best, they could still win out on the river with a lot of outs. The best play is always to not see the river and raise the action big on the turn and keep taking down the small pots. If your opponent wants to make an incorrect play, then you should analyze that before playing at him in an aggressive way pre-flop in the first place. In this case, we know the player is quiet so the action I have presented is the best action for a medium wide hand range against his very timid post flop strategy. Feel free to email me anytime. brett.still@shaw.af.mil and the name is Brett Still. Sorry for the typo’s.

I think an important piece of info would be how much we re-raised pre-flop. If we raised liberally but only re-raised with a solid hand, then Villain would be less-apt to play back with something weak like a 98s/87s/A8s. On balance, I doubt we see any of these hands though, or any 8x for that matter.

As played, I would imagine he has AA-88 (KK-TT are much more likely of course), maybe JTspades/76spades (but I would imagine he would raise on the flop with an open-ended straight flush draw), and a few doubtful hands including KQs (2nd-nut-flush draw if called plus 2 overs, but would be very loosely played throughout) and 44 (a possible call if he felt we were c-betting a dry flop, but also very loosely played). As mentioned, we are getting 3-1 on our call, we have an aggro image, and there are very few hands that Villain has could have that beat us, compared to the hands that we beat. I call here, curse my luck if he has 99-88, and have good notes on him for the future if he indeed has 8x or 44.

I agree that this is a pretty easy call. We’re probably behind, but we do have the best hand often enough here to make the call.

It says that our image is aggressive raising a lot preflop; but it doesn’t say how often we’re re-raising from the button preflop. I’d say that our re-raising range is somewhat thin here; perhaps AQ+/TT+?

So, what is the range of our villain to make the preflop call? Well, definitely any pocket pair, but you’re both stacked deep enough for him to call with almost any suited connectors or big ace.

Since our range is somewhat narrow, our opponent should be able to play against us properly after the flop.

What hand can he possibly hold that can flat call our flop continuation bet? AT-AQ are going to fold and he doesn’t have the suited A of spades since we have it. But, he could flat call QJss/JTss/76ss/any 8 or 99. I do think that TT/JJ/QQ/KK lead out or c/r the flop here. There’s nothing worse than check/calling with TT on that board and then seeing an ace or king hit the turn. KK may slowplay with only one overcard. So, the range of our opponent after the turn is most likely KK/99/combo draw/any 8.

When a blank hits the turn, can our villain c/r with a draw here? I really don’t think so. We’re going to have a tough time folding our QQ/KK/AA here which is clearly what it looks like we’ve got. So, why would he stack off with just a draw and only one card to come?

Anyway, I think I stack off here and make the call. There is just too much money in the middle to get away from the hand, and it’s still possible that our opponent has QQ/KK or is on a total move. I doubt it, but since we only need to win the pot one in four times, we’re getting the right price.

I disagree with Brett Still. I’ve been running awful in cash games, but why would we bet $200 on the turn and then pot commit ourselves to the c/r? You are correct that we are folding out all of the draws, but we’re also losing any value that we’ve got and we’re stacking off when we’re crushed. To me, that just seems like a terrible game plan. We want our opponents to play incorrectly, not exactly correct which is what they have to do when you bet $200 into the pot there.

Anyway, I think our villain has a hand like T8 suited or 99 and we are in pretty bad shape. But, I still make the call.

Does anyone check behind on the turn to avoid this exact situation? If everyone is so sure that some oddball 8 is out of the question here, then doesn’t that basically rule out every single possible draw that our villain could have? If he isn’t playing 87ss, then why is he playing JTss or QJss? If we’re so sure that these hands are outside of his range (I really don’t like to play these hands out of position facing a re-raise, but that’s just me), then are we really scared of the flop or turn? Can’t we check behind on the turn and get some value on the river? Again, the thinking here is that our opponents are folding almost every hand that we beat on the flop and are trapping with every hand that has us crushed. Yeah, we don’t want to give a free card to beat us, but if we’re already beat, we can go into pot control mode and check behind and then call his lead on the river. Anyone?

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gotta call, but I kind of expect to lose here

I play this game for a living and they turn over an 8 a lot in this spot - you guys don’t see how they can have it but I’m here to tell you they do quite often - usually A8 (suited or not) but sometimes 89s or 78s or even 10-8s

The way the other guy has been playing tight all nite except for when he has a hand, leads me to believe he’s either got the nine and was a bit leery till the board cleaned up for other draws. He knows you’ve been playing aggressive with good hands, so I would figure a trap.

I’m sorry, I meant 8, not 9. My bad.

I expect to lose here. He has $62 in the pot and just put me all-in for $278 more. Why does a “pretty quiet” player do that? I don’t think I’m going to win one out of four times here, so I fold.

Personally, I think the bet on the flop should be more than the pot, about $60 in this case. If he calls that, you know you’ve got trouble.

Fold the aces. Go ahead.
You know you want to.
Sometimes you gotta spend money to keep them honest and defend your honor.
Either that, or use that money to buy your kids food and shelter, and who’s gonna do that?

Instacall. This is exactly what you wanted him to do here. There is no way you should ever be folding.

Robbie nailed it - if you planned to fold here, you shouldn’t have built such a big pot. I don’t really like my chances, but the 3:1 odds are attractive enough.

No ,Ally, who really cares what the opponent does. We need to play the hand correctly and screw the value of it. When I flop A88, the I will worry about getting value out of it. In a hand like that it is best to make the play I suggest and let them make the incorrect play of calling or raising all-in on the $200 bet and they would not be check-raising hand with a hand here anyway. They are not going to have any hand with a 8 in it, though I have seen it, but too that much pre-flop probably not.

The board makes it so plainly obvious that your opponent has a draw that it’s a no brainer call. His range does include 99, depending of course on whether he’s a loose or tight player, but i think that the call is good here, because he is likely to do this with JJ-KK. All in all, it’s possible that he has AKs and you’re a 74% favorite, but i would really think that of your opponent’s rather large range of hands here, you have a good portion of them beat.

In addition, your opponent thinks he has you beat here with JJ-KK if you rr hands like AKs…. therefore it’s probable that he is BEAT

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