
Game type: 25 / 50 NL
Your image: A solid aggressive player at these limits
Opponent’s image:
Your hand: A♥8♥
This hand took place on PokerStars between ‘sweetluvin7′ and ‘$tinger 88′. You’ll be standing in for $tinger.
The setup: sweetluvin limps UTG and you raise it up to $200 with A8 of hearts. The table folds around to sweetluvin who calls. The flop brings you top pair:
A♣4♠6♦
sweetluvin checks and you decide to check behind. The turn gives you aces up with the 8♠. sweetluvin checks again and you fire out for $350. Now he check-raises you to $900. You decide to call.
The river is 3♥. sweetluvin leads out for $1050. What’s your play?
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I don’t think I’d raise for value here, because I really wouldn’t want to have to call a shove. Folding obviously is no option – pretty standard call, though I think this hand was played really oddly.
You only lose to a set, or a straight, of which there are only two possible, 25 (no chance), and 57 (unlikely). It is worth noting, though, that his turn CR is consistent with having hit his 8-high straight.
AA and 88 (and maybe even 66) raise PF, so you’re really only losing to 33, 44, 66, and 57 here, among many other things he might have. He’s betting less than half pot, and 3 to 1 odds are more than adequate here. There’s simply no way I’m getting away from top two here at such a reasonable price.
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I call, the pot is big enough for me.
And I really dont want to be set all in.
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I call – I think my two pair is better than his, but I’ll pay off his set or str8.
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id just call…….sounds like im againts a bluff , or a set of 4,s i sure wouldnt raise back…the betting should have taken a straight draw with a low % to catch…..as for a push all in……only way you would get a call your beat…….with a set..(% wise)….why risk it ?
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The check on the flop leaves you very few options the rest of the way. The opponents hand is not defined in any way, so he could have anything.
The only play is to call and cross your fingers…. but I think this is either a bluff or we are soooo beat.
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So what actually happened?
Oh, I also voted call – for all the same reasons already stated.
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Call. If we raise, we’re only getting called by a hand that beats us. He’s not limping there with a bigger A so I doubt we’re getting paid off by just a single pair. So, the only hand that is calling us if we raise that we beat is a worse two pair–something like 86 or 64 or a hand that could make a lot of sense, a hand like A-rag where he’s hit a second pair.
While there’s a good chance we could get more value out of other two pair hands, we could also lose our shirts if our opponent flopped a set or turned a straight.
Pretty straight forward call in my opinion.
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There are only a few really scary hands out there: AA, 44, 66, and 75. I suppose 52 is possible but seems very unlikely. A smaller two pair also doesn’t seem too likely: A6? 48? I doubt it.
I wish we had bet the flop… if we were check-raised right away, I might throw this hand away. But the check-raise on the turn could just be an aggressive player with a flush draw and little else pushing you around. Maybe he thinks you’re trying to buy the pot with king-high and he’s putting you to the test. He may have a hand like AQ that he has now decided is the best with your check on the flop.
Either we were drawing dead to a monster, or he’s stuck in a bluff. The smallish value-bet on the river, offering us 3:1 to call, suggests that you’re beat. But it’s not out of the question for good players to bluff small on the river, thinking you’ll throw away anything less than a set to that “beggar bet.”
I have to call here. What really happened?
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Prime example of why I hate the slowplay. You put yourself in positions where you don’t know if an opponent’s aggression is because they have you beat, or because you successfully convinced them you are weaker than you really are.
Folding isn’t an option; you decided to disguise the strength of your hand with passive play, and whether or not it was optimal, you have to follow through on that plan, now.
Even if you think you are good, though, the only reason to raise here is if he has a hand you are beating that he can call (or raise) with. It’s too bad we don’t know more about this player to help determine that range, but you can take a stab.
A good ace seems out of the question with the limp/call preflop and check on the flop and turn. A bad ace, two pair or otherwise, is possible. A two pair without an ace is possible given that we don’t know how this guy plays, but it seems highly unlikely. And that feels like about it: the range of hands you are beating with which he calls a raise on the river is basically A4, A6, A3, 86s.
I can’t fold here, but I see no reason to raise. You have slowplayed yourself into a tough spot in which you could be beat by a set or a straight. With the stacks that deep and not much equity in a raise if you are ahead, I think the right play is to play it conservatively and just call. If aces up isn’t good it’s a cooler and you don’t want to face the reraise, and if they are good, raising probably wouldn’t get you anything more anyway.
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Just read the site opinioin, in which they say, “On the other hand, he’s a calling station who will pay you off with a weaker two pair, or possibly even top pair, strong kicker.”
We didn’t have this information, there’s nothing listed in the “opponent’s image” section. That changes things a lot…hmmm….
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Call. won’t raise because i’m up against more than i’d like to be
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I say it’s a bad call – but I can’t lay this hand down. Doublful he has 75 or 52 – extremely doubtful because you raised 4x blind on the PF action. On that same vein, he’s a solid aggressive player, giving him a range of Ax to any pair. It’s unlikely that he has AA; given his aggressive profile, he would have raised PF to isolate. His betting doesn’t make a lot of sense outside of the possibility that he hit his PP to make a set. That’s the only logical conclusion that I can draw – but I still pay him off, because you’re top dog if he doesn’t have a set.
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Straight call – little to analyze here.
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Joel, *Villain* is not a solid aggressive player, Hero is. There is no info listed for the opponent. The site comments suggest that the intended profile for the opponent was, “a calling station.”
That is the key bit of info that turns this hand from a simple call to a potential raise, it’s too bad they left it out.
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Yep, flat call for me here too. not sure why hero checked behind on that flop? Makes the rest of the hand much more difficult. As played I would just call here, raising is bad IMO as this only gets you action from better hands. A set is a real possiblity IMO.
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If you’re hand wasnt strong enough to raise his re-raise on the turn, why would you raise on the river, after another card falls, and potentially makes him even more hands that beat you? Call. I don’t get this flop check…it just makes the rest of the hand a lot more confusing than it needs to be. On this flop, where I can’t put my opponent on a range of hands preflop at all, I’m defining the hell out of my hand.
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Initially I thought raise, but I think I just call here.
What really happened?
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Raise and call a shove I would’ve done it on the turn though get some balls people
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I’ll make a crying call..
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