May 17, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

Game type: Sunday Millions NLHE tournament on Poker Stars
Stage of tourney: Final table
Avg stack: 7.2m
Your image: Almost manically aggressive, although you have shown that you can fold to repops preflop
Opponent’s image: Both have been foldathons
Your hand: 8♦8♥

This hand is taken from actual game play on the Final Table of the PokerStars Sunday Million. This hand took place between BrainGuy, Flakeye and KeepMcoming. You’ll be standing in for BrainGuy.

The setup: You’re the chip leader on the final table of the Millions, and you’ve been using your stack to great effect, raising basically any hand that you can open preflop. The table has been letting you hold control, except a few times where shorter stacks repopped you and you dropped.

This hand, you pick up eights UTG. You raise to just about 3x the BB. Two players fold and then you get flat called by flakeye. Two more players fold and then KeepMcoming reraises you all in from the button for about 1.37m more.

The blinds fold and it’s back to you. What’s your play with 88 and a player still to act behind you?


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shaymalus


I initially voted reraise, but the staffs answer makes a lot of sense.

Its probably better to protect your chip lead than to risk it with only 88.

So folding seems correct but I’d find it hard to make that decision on the spot.

“What actually happened” is soooo sick, lol

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drhoho


I would call and take a flop.

It is only 137563 to go, in case player D doesnt shove there is almost setvalue. And with no sidepot we need not wory about being bluffed away.

Of course, D would have showed, I would have folded, and the 1.38 M would have been lost, but heck.

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Bob


I dont like callin.
Flakeye’s range is pretty good, and if he just calls, flakeye probably is likely to isolate shove.
I think this is a fold or isolating raise.

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james staines


easy fold y risk ur tourney with 8 8 its a marginal hand and doesnt play well unless u hit trips or super lowball flop. Hate 88s over rated just like a q give me 9 10 suited any day

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matt tag


Last week we were able to execute the squeeze play, here it is the reverse – we have been squeezed. If I had reads that made me think G was making this move, I would think about reraising to isolate, but absent of any reads, I like the fold. I think the call is too dangerous w/ a player to act behind me, and I’ll have tough decisions if I take a flop and overcards come w/ no 8 (high probability).

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Joe


I said raise here in an effort to isolate. I chip leesd I’m not risking my life just my chips. Plus we all know that the chip leader never loses. I could see runner coming.

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juggernaut7


lucky SOB… did he go on to win?

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abetter spot


I would have loved to see the chat box after this, what a suckout!

I voted fold, less to do with my hand against the all-in and more that I don’t want to call and then get stuck with Flakeye pushing, in case he was calling me in position with something quite strong. His $8.3 mln stack can damage mine and with 8s, I don’t mind going against one guy (especially a short stack like KeepMcoming), but not so much two players, and not for what I have invested, so I let this go.

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Rondleman


Obv. call – sure as hell won’t see me folding a rivered straight.

But seriously… I have to lay it down. I see a mid-position caller, which exudes strength to me, as anyone ahead of him can pull off a nice squeeze. The push comes from the SB, who has no FE whatsoever, so he has to have a solid hand too. So what else can happen, besides folding?

1a) We call, Flakeye calls – this puts us in horrible position against 2 opponents, both of which we have to believe have a decent hand, and no side pot to boot. We have to hope for a flop with all unders to our 8, or an 8 (or 2 of them!) on the flop to really feel confident, otherwise we are not going to feel that great. Something like TT3 wouldn’t be horrible either, but any A-high or K-high flop has to be cause for concern, as well as (potentially) a Q-high flop. Not a good spot to be in.

1b) We call, Flakeye pushes over-the-top – we are looking at a 1.85:1 call here, which would be difficult to lay down to with 8′s. I just can’t see enough situations where neither one has an overpair, and considering that, I don’t believe 1.85:1 is good enough, at least since about 1/3 of the pot is contended by KeepMcoming. We can get away from it, but we will be about 1.3M poorer as a result.

2) We push – we have a small fold equity against Flakeye, as we would be giving him about 1.6:1, but why would we risk 1/2 of our stack and our solid chip lead on such a sticky situation? True, if we win the hand, we will have knocked out 2 players and have an enormous chip lead over the table, but it’s not worth it to me to give up what we have already.

Now, if we fold, then we preserve our chip lead, allowing us to bully mid-stacks to continue to grow with a much higher success rate. Flakeye will certainly call KeepMcoming’s push with great odds, and hopefully knock him out (although we know what happens, in hindsight). I’m not a fan of throwing away 88, but I think it must be done here. I’m only pushing with TT+, AK+… I don’t see any reason to flat-call with any of those hands; the push seems like the best move to avoid an iffy flop (or a complete whiff in AK’s case).

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Louise


I voted raise, and I meant all-in. Staff’s suggestion of call and see, was considered. But I was hoping D had AK- AQ too and would fold to our push. If I were D, I would have thrown away the Jacks so fast, the breeze might have shown down the burn cards.
I know people call this a suck out, but its in the percentages for our wins, we do play with seven cards.

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onlinepokerincome.com


this is a no-brainer call – what’s a big stack for after all? you don’t get hurt by calling and the live player figures to call and check it out with you in a lot of situations as eliminating players is the most important thing

how many better chances to eliminate players do you think you are going to get? getting a short stack all-in when you have a medium pocket pair is a standard play, the thing you are looking for when you have a large stack

if the live player reraises you fold, no big deal – but he should call and check it out as it gives a better chance of eliminating the player

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Ally


Very interesting. The only response that I like is onlinepokerincom.com. This is a call.

If we were at any other stage of the tourney, I think this is a re-raise/fold situation because we’re not getting good odds to hit a set and we just don’t know where we stand against the flat call behind us and he can do real damage.

But, at the final table, it’s most likely correct for you both to flat call and check it down. Of course, if you hit a set (or a miracle straight on the river), you can bet for value, but you gain a lot of cash in your pocket by cooperating here to take out an opponent.

There is a chance that he shoves preflop, in which case I think you can properly fold. And, there’s also a chance that he can come out betting the flop, which I think you can fold.

Anyway, I like a flat call here and checking it down.

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3 Olives


I believe this to be a fold or re-raise situation for BrainGuy.

*Fold*
Since we have been squeezed the fold seems to make sense, and is certainly a viable option. Against only the short stack all-in this is an easy call.

*Call*
If I were in Falkeye’s situation and the original better calls, showing that he is not that strong, then I would re-raise over the top the remaining 6mil in an effort to get BrainGuy to lay down his hand.

*Re-Raise*
My decision as BrainGuy is to raise all-in and force Falkeye to a tough decision for all his chips. Falkeye came into the hand 3rd in chips, and I cannot imagine that he can think his had is any better then a coin-flip going against two all-ins; with the potential to be dominated. Folding the hand still leaves Falkeye in a good position in the overall standings.

The decision to push-all in was the correct play for BrainGuy on this hand, he put Falkeye to the test for his tournament life. Especially since it has been admitted that BrainGuy had laid down several times to a re-raise, having BrainGuy re-raise all in would raise a few flags for me. In my opinion, when BrainGuy came back over top of the all in, then Falkeye made a bad decision to call the all-in.

It is true he was slightly ahead pre-flop for the main pot:
Falkeye JJ – 42%
KeepMcoming showed AQ – 38%
BrainGuy 88 – 20%

And way ahead for the side pot. However, he did not know that going in to the cold call.
I would assume there to be a good chance (30% at least) that BrainGuy had A/K,A/Q or a higher pair; leaving this as a race for your tournament life. When you still have 6 other players with lower stacks and a considerable payday each time you move up a rank laying down the hand is the right decision for Falkeye.

Playing those small percentage odds this late in the tournament, against the chip leader does not seem like a good decision in my opinion. I would rather conserve my chips, and wait for a better chance to get my chips in the pot against only one player.

BrainGuy made the right decision by pushing, and making Falkeye risk his tournament life on a cold call.

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Kevin


Calling seems a bit risky imo. If we called in this situation you cant honestly see Falkeye just flat calling with JJ when your range is almost anything. If i was him i would repop easily.

I dont think he has much worse then JJ either to make the first call.

Will he check it out if he does call?? Not necesairly.. your the agressive player..with a huge stack.. you can get away easy while he has HUGE incentive to isolate on any non scary board.

And if the board comes big you have no idea what to do and will likely fold out.

Calling is ok..but your risking alot of chips just to hope you can “check it down”.

Raising is riskier still, with my stack already I doubt i would make this play..especially given that I am already running the table…and will likely be able to continue doing.

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mathwise


You have to work about the big stack smooth calling. This tells me he likely has 9,9 or higher and possibly even A,K. You are acting fairly early withthe big stack behind you. I figure shorty for a big ace or small to mod pair. so its a race against him most likely.

I don’t like to rely on luck only, especially when I am cl. I fold here. Moving up the pay latter requires careful thought. I use my time clock when I need to think, instead of impulsesively rushing into an error.

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mathwise


You have to worry about the big stack smooth calling. This tells me he likely has 9,9 or higher and possibly even A,K. You are acting fairly early with the big stack behind you. I figure shorty for a big ace or small to mid pair. So, its a race against him most likely.

I don’t like to rely on luck only, especially when I am cl. I fold here. Moving up the pay ladder requires careful thought. I use my time clock when I need to think, instead of impulsively rushing into an error.

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