
Game type: 1/2 No limit hold em cash at Full Tilt Poker
Your image: You showed down aces to stack a smaller stack in your only real pot at the table
Opponent’s image: The table has been generally loose-passive
Your hand: T♦9♣
The setup: You’re off to a decent start in this no limit hold’em session when the following hand comes up. Three people limp in front of you preflop and you limp with 10 9o. The button and SB fold and the BB checks. You flop the nuts:
T♥9♥T♠
The BB checks and the next player leads for $5 into $11. Two players call, including a short stack. It’s your action and there’s $26 in the middle. The BB is still to act behind
What’s your play?
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I’m calling. The last thing I want to do here is price out any draws – and there look to be plenty of them, judging by the board and the action in front. I don’t feel a huge need to build the pot now, especially in such a conspicuous spot.
Having such good position means we are in control of the pot. I’m happy to let more money go in on the turn in front of me, especially if a juicy card hits.
As played, I probably check the turn, as a bet on a paired, drawy board like that after a blank hits screams strength – “that card didn’t help me but I didn’t need any help to begin with.” Hopefully the river can help someone out, and if not, you haven’t really lost any value anyway because if people are folding a blank river, they’re also folding this turn.
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Im flat calling.
i disagree with jeremy though, you have to bet the turn to get money from draws which won’t pay you when they miss on the river. 1/3 pot was fine, just a pity nobody had the case 10
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I call and will be slooooooooooooowplayin’.
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I go for the mini-raise. It gives the other players good pot odds (while one or two of them might fold still) while it does not give them a free card. This way I can check the turn and raise small at the river the simulate a pot stealing move.
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I like a small raise, just make it 15 total.
It is sure not pricing any draws out, and though it looks obvious you are going to be called by one or two players.
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I would call. I have him on a flush draw and that was a feeler bet, plus we want action behind us. If we raise his feeler bet, then he’s got the feeling he needs to fold, and the other guy will have long gotten out of our way.
Also, what a fake hand! Full-tilt only has 9 player tables!
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All about the small raise here – need to build the pot while the draws are still juicy. I think $15 would be good… that would give us a $41 pot and everyone besides the BB would get at least 4-1 odds on a call, which would be nearly impossible to give up on for most players with most solid draws here (A- or K-high flush draw, QJ, open-ended straight flush draw or gutshot straight flush draw).
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When reading the hand, I thought we had to just call and slowplay our nuts here. When thinking it over, I changed my mind, and thought that reraising is the best option here.
This is a hand that, should you choose to slowplay, you can win a huge pot or almost nothing. On the other hand, if you reraise here, you will almost definitely always win a good sized pot, and that’s what I want!
We know our hand right now is the best hand, so we shouldn’t really be worried about the other players in the hand. But we can put them on different sort of hands. I believe, since they all limped in only, they would have a sort of drawing hand. A flush draw, or a straight (open ended, or even a gutshot draws are most probable. The BB will probably fold if we choose to reraise, so I won’t be bothering with him.
Another possibility is that one of the 3 other players in the hand is that one of them may be holding a 10-x. But that I really doubt. If someone had a 10 in his hand, he should believe he has the best hand, unless he is worried with his kicker. Yet, I don’t think anyone would limp in with any less than J-10, and anyone with J-10 will be quite happy with his hand. No one raised really strong, which shows that no one has a 10 most probably.
Now, as I mentioned before, we don’t want to concern ourselves with what they could have. We want to think what’s the best way to get out the most money from them!
The most important issue here is thinking of what happens on the turn. If a heart or any card helping in a straight comes, then we are in great shape. If a blank hits, which is very probable, action will decrease dramatically. It still will be a rather small pot (31$ to be exact- given that we believe the BB will fold). This pot will not be worth really chasing a draw, and no one will be willing to put much more significant money into the pot, and if you shall wait until the river and another blank hits, you can be sure all you will be winning is the 31$ in the middle.
Of course you can win a lot more if a scary card comes up, even if you slow play.
In here, I would prefer to raise, and here’s a discussion as to why reraise here. A call here is sometimes suspicious, especially if you play strongly later. A good player would be careful that you flopped a boat. So a raise could represent a 10-x, and you made trips! This means if they make their draw, they are in good shape. You want to represent the 10, to show them that you are scared, and trying to protect your hand. This will disguise the real strength of your hand.
Also, by raising a big raise (2/3 of the pot, or 20$) you will really be building a big pot. There will be about 51$ in the pot, and you have 20$ to call. Giving your opponents 5-2 odds on their calls, not too bad odds for a strong draw. If only one of the three choose to call, which is almost certain, given the odds and pot size, you would have successfully built a pot of 71$. Now its really a big pot, and is worth playing for!
Now on the turn, what will be your action?
If a heart comes up, you will surely at least bust one player. Here, it will be perfect to slow play. Say he bets, or checks, you then check right behind him (or just flat call) showing that you are worried about the flush. Then on the river, he makes a small bet, something like 1/3 the pot, and really want you to call. Here you can raise strong, or even move in! The pot will be huge, and the player would not be able to get away from his flush!
On the other hand, if a heart does not fall, you could play it in a similar way. Allow him a free look at the river, and then look to take most of his money if a heart hits on the river.
If no heart falls on the turn or river, well you probably would not have won more than the 30 that would have been in the middle originally, and at least this way you won a bit more!
So reraising is definitely the best move, and I chose reriasing 20$ because the table is rather loose. If it was a tight table I will prefer raising less, something around 15$ which is half the pot.
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Cherry wisdom is inverse to number of syllables, apparently.
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I agree with Cherry and drhoho. I like a raise here, pretty much for the reasons mentioned.
If we just flat call and then when a heart hits we start going crazy and yet there is some other dude there holding the Ah, is he going to ever like his hand? No, he will reluctantly much his nuts flush.
However, what I think we really want to represent here is trip 10′s with a decent kicker–a hand that we would want to protect against these draws. And, with over half the deck providing some sort of an out (KQJ876 and any heart), we should be able to slow play then–go into pot control mode–into check/call mode thinking that someone busted our trips. This would pretty much get them to fire on the river thinking that they are good and as Cherry says, we can then turn the tables on them.
I know a raise here is a little risky that we may blow everyone out of the pot, but I really don’t see us winning a big pot any other way. All that could really happen is that we could lose a really big pot when a J or Q hits and someone is sitting there with JJ or QQ (played oddly).
I just don’t see the slowplay here working to build that huge of a pot. Yeah, we’re likely to get a little action on a non-blank turn, but when a draw hits and then you jump to life, I don’t think it’s going to be too difficult for someone to figure out you flopped the nuts. So, might as well build it now and make them make a bigger mistake.
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Call. The problem with raising here, that I don’t think has been mentioned, is that you’d be executing a squeeze of sorts. That is, yes you can make it a small raise that A could call… but now you’ve shown some strength, and there are 2 other players that could spring to life. Same would apply to C, to a lesser degree. Sure, E is almost certain to call, but he only has $70 behind anyway. Obviously, it’s not a lock you’ll scare these players off with the raise, but it should be taken into consideration.
Even though it’s a blank and in practice everyone folded, I like the bet on the turn. It’s not like you’re going to get anybody to pay you off on the river if that’s a blank too.
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Betting 10 on the turn after the table checks all round, does scream of a monster.
A continuation bet of 5 on the turn and then 10 on the river would definitely get some callers – Particularly when playing online.
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go to hell \o/ “what actually happened”
hahahahahahahahahahahhaa
call
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I’d do a $5 raise. Two or maybe three players will call. (The table is “loose-passive,” after all.) The BB is likely to fold rather than put in $10. But he might fold even if I just call. And perhaps one of the other 3 betters will fold, if he’s holding a weak flush draw, a straight draw, or a 9 or underpair. So such a raise means losing one caller compared to the three or maybe four players who will be in if I just call.
They’d have to expect I’m holding trips, a fairly strong flush draw, or even an overpair. Since I went last, and as no one has shown any strength, I think my holding an overpair like JJ or QQ would seem quite likely, and indeed, they might consider that I might not raise every time with KK or AA if it looked to me like we’re already down to 3 opponents pre-flop.
All of these hands would be seen as far more likely than my actual full house. Any Ten (trips) or overpair or face-card flush draw will call.
Even if the BB folds, seat A is getting 6-to-1 pot odds to call my raise; and if he does, then the subsequent seats get 7-to-1 and then 8-to-1.
The overpairs would only have two outs, but would expect solid implied odds from hitting a set. The trip Tens, even crappy kicker, would expect to already be ahead and might be hard to get to fold even with a shove, and would have 5 outs to improvement. The flushes have 9 outs of course, and don’t know they’re drawing dead.
My waiting for the Turn rather than raising now would as likely mean less money in the pot, if it doesn’t hit anyone, as it is to mean more money on the pot.
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easy call. That kind of hand will pay big on the river
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