May 17, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

Game type: Poker Stars Sunday Million
Stage of tourney: Late, 25 of 2644 remain
Avg stack: ~1.1 million
Your image: You were playing fast on the bubble, but you’ve slowed down since the tournament broke to 3 tables
Opponent’s image: Fairly new to the table, seems a little passive.
Your hand: A♦4♥

This hand is taken from actual play in the PokerStars Sunday Million ($530 buy in) on August 26th, 2007. This hand took place between Sir_DonaldRM and GOD100. You’ll be standing in for Sir_Donald.

The setup: You took a strong chip lead into the bubble and extended it while play was shorthanded. Now the tournament is at three full tables and you’ve slowed down a bit when the following hand comes up. You’re dealt A4 in the BB and the table folds to the button, who limps. The SB folds and you decide to check. The flop brings:

3♣8♦5♣

You check and your opponent bets the minimum. You decide to give a little action and call. The turn pairs you with the As.

There’s about 160k in the middle. You don’t have any history with this opponent. You’re first to act and you’ve got top pair and an inside straight draw. What’s your preferred line here?


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Jeremy Fisher


I’ll lead here. I’m pretty sure I’m good here, but not quite sure enough to play for his whole stack.
I’d think ideally we would check this down, but that obviously becomes a lot more difficult being out of position. I don’t want to call down because that could cost a lot of chips, especially on the river after a turn call has built the pot to a good size.
I wouldn’t mind taking the pot down here, and I think a half-pot lead will do this a majority of the time. If I get raised I’ll be comfortable enough folding, and doing so at a much smaller cost than having to meet another bet on the river.
Same reasoning against the CR here. I don’t want to trap and build a pot here, I’d rather keep the pot small. So if I get raised allin over my CR I’ll have lost chips I didn’t need to. I don’t have a big-pot hand, and need to remember to play it that way.

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Jeremy Fisher


BTW the “Your Hand” image should be fixed, it says A3. That had me confused for a bit.

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Rondleman


With a button limper, we could be facing a ton of hands. 2 clubs could be made a ton of legitimate ways (K5, Q9, etc.), and 76s, clubs or otherwise, is a possibility, as is 64s (although much less possible). 2 pair/trips would probably either check or lead bigger than min, as would an 8, but mid/low pair would probably make the min-bet.

I imagine we see a draw of some sort much more often than one of the lower pairs, so I lead out medium, 1/2-2/3 pot. If we get raised here, I would probably call with TP/GSSD, depending on the amount of the raise of course. I just think the turn check gives a free card to too many hands in his range that could benefit, which outweighs the value in checking and inducing a river bet.

What do we do if we check and a scare card hits? Any club, 9, 5, 4 or 3 has to be approached with caution, about 1/2 of the deck. I would much rather lead out and know more clearly where I am in the hand.

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Ally


Agree with Mr. Fisher.

I like a lead here. We’re both too deep to play for his stack here with a weak A. I think we’re usually good here, but I do want to identify as quickly as possible where we are at here.

As it stands, we really don’t have a ton of information.

The button limp late into a tourney–what does it mean? Well, I suppose we’re talking about a somewhat distinct range of hands: A-rag / two broadway / small and medium pocket pairs. I don’t think we’re seing a big ace or a big pp here as the players behind are too deep to shove with a weak hand.

Then, a min bet on the flop. Well, what does this mean? Does this mean that our opponent is just trying to pick up the blinds and antes with minimal risk? Or has he picked up a monster and is attempting to keep us interested in the hand or induce a bluff? Our opponent could have anything from complete air to a set or a draw when they make their small flop bet. As it turns out, we really honestly have no idea of where we are at when the Ace hits the turn.

So the question is what is the optimal way to play the hand out? If we were positive we had the best hand and we wanted max value, perhaps we could check/raise here or check/call the turn and river. These options will most likely get us the most money in the pot. But, these will also be the ways to lose us the most money if we are in fact behind.

I prefer to lead out here. Ok, our lead will kill action from almost any hand that is beating us, but it will also let us know pretty quickly where we are at in the hand. If our villain raises or shoves, I think I can get away from the hand without worrying too much about the result.

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Patrick Cherry


I agree that we probably are good now, but there is no way that we can be sure of that. We could easily be way behind in this hand.

I believe the limp shows us what our opponent has, a marginal hand, but not a very weak hand, and not a strong one too. I think he has a hand he wanted to play, with low risk, especially that the chipleader is on the BB, and his stack is less than average. He does not want to raise with his hand, as he does not want the chipleader to make a move on him, move in, and force him to throw it away.

Therefore I think he is intimidated by our stack, his limp on the button shows the weakness of the player, not his cards!!

If I was to put him on a hand, regardless of action on the flop, I will put him on a small pocket pair. Something between 4-4 and 9-9. I think he’s raising with a bigger pair, and folding a smaller one. He also might have a weakish Ace, with the kicker also being less than 10, A-10 or better he is raising. He also might have K-10, K-J, J-10, Q-J, or any other random suited connector which he might choose to play even though I feel it would have been a poor decision to play it.

Now, we know his hand is not too strong, but not too weak. Preflop I think putting in a raise was a must. A 4BB raise would have given us a lot of info on his hand, especially that we are out of position the rest of the hand. He might throw his hand, and we pick the pot there and then. I would be happy with that, just to show an image that my blind is not stealable for later, and that I can bully everyone around. Also my hand isnt that strong really to play.

The major piece of info we have now is his min bet on the flop. What does it mean? Is he trying to steal without risking much? Very possible. Does he have a huge hand (ex. a set) and trying to sucker you in? Also possible, but I don’t think so. With a dangerous drawing flop like that, he is probably going to bet more, to protect his hand, he doesnt want to go broke now if you hit a draw. Does he have a draw, and want to juice up the pot for later when he actually makes his hand? Very possible too!

I think he doesnt have a huge hand by now, and I doubt that Ace helped him, even though he might have something like A-5 or A-8. If that’s the case, we’ll probably lose a lot of chips. But I will not be worried about that. I will lead out right here, and probably win the pot there and then, and that’s what I want. If he calls and a club shows its a tough one, we are out of position and the pot would be his, if he raises us on the river.

I will be very happy to win what’s in the middle. So I will make a strong bet, a very strong bet. Something like 3/4 pot size, around 120k. If he reraises, you muck it away, he has the better of you. But reraise is not too probable as I don’t think he has a set, or 2 pair. He will probably fold, or call you, thinking that his one pair – which he already has is good, and you are only trying to represent an ace. If hes on a draw, he folding.

Now, if he calls, and a blank hits on the river, we can bet again for value, and if a club falls, we can also bet to scare him away as its unlikely that he’ll call with a draw.

I think leading out, out of position is the only way to win this hand, exposing ourselves to the least possible risk. So we have to bet, and we have to bet strong!!

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drhoho


We are in BB, we haven’t payed a thing to see the flop. So we are holding 2 4, not A 4…

Just kidding. I bet half pot and see what happens. I dont hate cc either, but on turn I like to poke a bit to a player who min bets the flop.

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Louise


I like to bet my hand. I like the half the pot bet, I hope that I could let it go to a raise, but I’ll call (probably as much as his stack, I’m worried about being out kicked here, but more concerned with the Spade draw). When I make two pair on the river, I am probably going to put my opponent in.
I am trying to learn to take more risks, and gamble a little more.

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Louise


I meant club draw.

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no_donkey


This one is easy – and the lopsided voting shows it.
I’d like to hear Ally’s & Patrick Cherry’s elaborate disquisitions when there’s actually something to analyze!
LOL

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matt harrell


i would check raise because i a have a weak ace. If he is on a flush draw there is 23% chance that he will hit it and if he doesn’t the check with the ace might induce a bluff if he takes a free card. if he has an ace and trys to check it. i might draw that 2 and its lights out at the ok carowl.

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