Daily Hand Quiz

Gross board. Our first mistake was the smallish raise preflop with two limpers already in and several players to act behind. Against a loose table in particular, 5x simply will not cut it, and is going to have the kind of result we witnessed, going to the flop with 4 others. In this situation I’d probably raise it 8x, making it far more likely to be zero or no callers.
What’s worse than going to the flop with 4 callers? Seeing a flop like this. When I see this flop I think there’s a very good chance I already don’t have the best hand.

Getting out of this mess probably won’t be so easy. If you like, it can be as easy as folding immediately, and that certainly isn’t at all a bad option. May even be the best. But I’m an adventurous player and I think I’d go with a small raise here. Calling is terrible – a) if you want to win this hand, you better do it sooner rather than later, and b) calling just prices in the two players behind you even better.
So it’s raise or fold. I like a small raise, 2-2.5x. Why? You need to find out where you’re at. Any hand that has outflopped you is definitely going to play back, because they’ll be just as afraid of the draws as you are, and then you can safely fold. Two pairs and sets will be afraid of both draws, a flopped straight is afraid of the hearts and will reraise as well. So this is all the information you need, at a reasonable price.
If I get one or two callers, I’ll fire again on a blank turn and probably check/fold on a heavy one. If I end up with three or more callers I’ll probably give it up unless a K hits.

And needless to say, I’m going to have nightmares about playing KK against four people post flop.

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easy fold

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All in Wooo

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Yeah, I’m pushing here.

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I don’t doubt that the fold is way the safest play, and probably very wise.
But I am a fish, I can’t lay KK down here. I would do pretty much as J fischer suggests, only I migth make it a 3xraise

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Dr Hoho rules

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I voted large raise, (was thinking pot size – 120) I see that is the 2.5-3x others are speaking of. Perhaps choices are the same for other voters as well.

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Yes, I am a wuss and yes, I fold.

I think we have enough information to let go of our hand here.

The staff suggests that the $35 lead here shows some weakness. I disagree. The amount isn’t screaming for others to go away; it almost seems to me to be that type of lead bet that you make a little lower than normal hoping for a raise that leaves you some fold equity when you make another raise and shove all in. Plus, he’s leading into four other players on a very scary board. I don’t think that he’s making that raise with A8 here. I think he’s got at least a pair and a draw or two pair at a minimum.

The flat call of his bet looks like a draw, but he could also have hit the board very hard and flopped a set or even the nuts straight and is planning to let a blank peel off before giving away the strength of his hand.

So, while I’m not positive that we’re beat by either of the players in ahead of us, I’m guessing that at best, we’re slightly ahead.

And, there are still a couple of more players still behind us. If one of them flopped huge, they may have been planning a check/raise anyway and now if we raise, they may now come over the top of our raise.

Anyway, I would not be happy about folding my KK here which is possibly the best hand, but I think I can cut my losses here.

I do think that the other option is to raise and get more information, but how much info are we going to get. If one of our villains shoves on us, does that give us the information that we’re beat or that they have a pair and a draw, thus making it correct for us to call; or, does it tell us that they flopped the nuts and that we’re nearly drawing dead? If they flat call, what are we doing on the turn (especially considering that half the deck is going to make us like our hand even worse–any heart, any ace, any J/T/9/8/7/6/5? Yuck.

And, for the same reasons, calling is out here. Other than one of two cards in the deck, we’re not going to really love our hand, and even then, are we going to love our set of Kings on that board? Not really.

When I play cash games, I love it when I am priced in to see a flop with a hand like 97 or 86 and you flop the nuts or two pair and see someone put in their whole stack with an overpair.

I agree with the staff here. Give up on our $10 in the pot and look for a better spot.

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Interesting hand. I can’t let the kings go yet, assuming the worst as the DHQ suggests. I would probably raise 90 more, a smaller raise, leaving me with 200 behind. I want them to think I have aces (or kings), which it would look like given my preflop raise and then this reraise on the flop. This reraise should get the rest behind to fold, unless then really have a good hand. It may or may not get one of the two players ahead of me to fold also. If from here on everyone checks to me, then I will bet, and will be assuming they are on straight or flush draws, which this board definitely has. But if someone leads into me for a decent amount again on the turn or river, I would probably release the hand.

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EASY EASY EASY laydown, you people that say push are the exact reason i make money playing poker.

theres a straight draw, theres a flush draw, and theres a possiblity of a set, THERES MORE THEN HALF THE DECK OUTS AGAINST YOU.

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Yes this is an easy fold. I forget the actual number, but K-K against 5 callers is now around 30% to win the hand.
You’ll get in more trouble with this hand than you can handle.
If you want to be crazy, call and hope for another king, but unless that hits you’re very likely already beaten by the following hands that called and are still in the hand:
7-7
8-8
5-5 (that called for pot odds)
6-6 (not currently the best hand but a MUCH better chance of improving than you)
A of hearts heart draw
x-6 open straight with good overcard
9-6 suited (that called for pot odds – at BEST it’s not hearts but you can be sure it’s suited.)

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Easy fold.

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Those that shove pay Patrick off later … LOL.
Today’s lesson in equation form

EEA + CD = TD

where

EEA = Excessive Emotional Attachment to large pocket pairs
CD = Complete Disregard for other players’ behavior and positions
TD = TOTAL DONKEY.

(Fold, you idiots.)

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First, I have to agree that the pre-flop raise was weak, I’m looking at raising 10xbb or so. Also, I assume this is an on line table, at which point I’m folding without 2 seconds thought. In a live game I might determine that the 2 players to act are going to fold (it’s surprising how many players telegraph this move) and contemplate raising to $100 or so depending on my read of the first 2 players. In the absence of a confident read, I think folding is the only rational decision. On such a loose table, why risk all your chips when you could be way behind? There will be much better spots down the road.

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I’m going broke here.

I’ve got some fold equity, and they can’t put me on Kings any more than I can put them squarely on anything. If I’m already beat, well, I am. I’ll reload, as the money hasn’t left the table yet. But I’m pushing every dime into that pot. Every dime. Let ‘em pay to draw to that. I recognize that after the first two call, the others might be priced in. But that’s poker. And the first guy just may not call. If he reads it as I’ve made a hand I’m happy with, great, he’ll fold. At taht point, the second guy is likely to fold. But I’m gonna put ‘em to the question “How much do you want to pay for your draw?” And then, hold one’s breath, and wait for the answer. But this pot is worth winning. I’m going for it. Every dime gets shoved.

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The $35 dollar bet is a feeler. There is no doubt that he has hit something on the flop but he has no idea where he is at. A 8 or something. The caller is on a draw as well openended or a flush. I raise here and raise big. Take away all pot odds and give them no reason to call. If the origanal better folds so does the small blind.

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arteriole,doves enciphered Avis edges immodest

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did someone give away the big secret about how some players can see other players’ stats? suddenly all mention of stats is gone from both question and comments!

INTERESTING

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I think I’d have two options to consider here: fold while thinking i’m scr3wed it up badly by raising so small. (On a LAG table 5x could be the “standard” price to see the flop) or a slightli bigger than medium raise ($100).

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SMALL RAISE??? i hate it!!! loose players will call yoou, and you still wont know where u are at… all in or fold, i voted fold.

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The one thing I didn’t see in the setup was whether this was live or online. Online, I think a 5x raise in this situation is fine…the standard raise is probably 3x, there are two limpers, so 5x seems about right. Live, where the standard raise is usually 5-7x, I could see a raise to 7-10x. I don’t think the preflop is THAT bad depending on what is standard at the table.

That said, you are probably ahead right now. There is probably a straight draw out there and a flush draw to be sure…2 pair is unlikely as is a set…but both are possible. There is about $120 in the pot right now, so if you are going to be in the pot, it should be for all your chips now.

Lets make an assumption here…lets say that the BB called preflop because he had position and the BB called because everyone else was in, so why not? Unless they have you absolutely crushed, they will fold to a push. We’ll put the first limper on a straight draw, the second on a flush. We will also give them the possibility of hitting sets, 2 pairs and TPTK. For good measure, we’ll throw in 66, 99, TT, and JJ (we’ll assume they would have raised with QQ/KK/AA).

Against this field, Poker tracker says it is basically a 3 way tie. We have 32% equity, the straight draw has 33, the flush has 34.

So, frankly, I don’t think it matters. Fold or push. Odds are you are ahead right now and by pushing you may get the draws to go away. If they do great, if they don’t then you aren’t really giving up much of an edge.

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