Tourney / NL

Open ended OOP, deep in the Poker Stars Sunday Million

Game type: No Limit holdem tournament, PokerStars Sunday Million
Stage of tourney: Near a bubble, 50 / 6567 remain
Avg stack: ~1.3 million
Your image: LAG
Opponent’s image: He’s been quiet
Your hand: K♦Q♥

This hand is taken directly from game play in the Poker Stars Sunday Million on August 5th, 2007. This hand took place between SuperTuan1 and spskiller. You will be standing in for spskiller.

The setup: You’re the chip leader in the Sunday Million and a bubble is coming up - in 4 players the payouts jump by about $800. You have been very active and have not had to go to showdown often. You’ve made frequent steals and resteals, and you can sense that the table is waiting for a chance to play back.

This hand you’re dealt KQo UTG. You raise to 3x the BB and the table folds around to the button, a somewhat quiet player. His stats show that this is a higher buy in tournament than normal for him, but he’s a solid player with a good ROI. He re-raises you to 435k. The blinds fold. You call the 255k and flop and open ended draw and two overs:

6♣J♥T♠

It’s your action. There’s over a million in the middle. What’s your play?


9 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

David
8.6.07 / 1am

There is no question of check-folding or any such nonsense. You had a decision to make in this hand; it was preflop. You called his raise preflop, and this is a great flop for you and you are going all the way. I don’t think calling preflop oop against a tight player’s reraise when you came in from UTG with KQ is a good play at all, and that’s where the mistake was.

Lance
8.6.07 / 2am

This is an easy lead large.. Awesome flop for the hand, 2 over cards to the board, Up and down straight draw.. So alot of outs against a quiet opp who’s playing something like a pocket pair or an high Ace. Definite lead large, and hope he pushes all in.. Pushing all could also work to make him think your running a bluff to steal the pot (which is also not a bad idea) But a large bet hoping for a push is the best move i think

drhoho
8.6.07 / 4am

I say lead out for 998k, and pray he has AK or AQ and folds. Heck even QQ would give you tons of outs if he called.
I agree with david that calling the reraise preflop what silly, but having done that this is a great flop.
Against most hands you are pretty close to having potodds, off course not now that he is holding two of our outs and none of your overs are live.
If you were last to act, folding to his all in would probably be the vest EV solution though.

abetter spot
8.6.07 / 7am

I also like the lead large. i.e. lead about 600 to 800k so he knows he is going all in if he calls. With his tournament life on the line before a bubble, only way he calls that is if he has a higher pp than on the board, a set or maybe AJ. A lot of other hands that have you beat would likely fold there, which as DHQ staff said, is a major victory for you.

Joe B
8.6.07 / 8am

Everyone is correct in leading out on this opponent - however you may want to give yourself more options.
I would lead out for between 500-600k and see what he does. It’s still putting him to a decision for all of his chips, but if he pushes all in after you raise, then you have more information to make the decision to call the extra and showdown.
This is the same end as the other suggestions, just a more methodical way of getting there - same pressure, just more information.

dickerbear
8.6.07 / 12pm

Question for Joe: say you bet 500k and he shoves…don’t you call anyway?

Joe B
8.6.07 / 4pm

Yes I most likely will - I’m looking for one of two things based on the premise that I’m the big stack against him - he knows I’ll call, so if he doesn’t consider himself the favorite, he just might fold. If he hasn’t got it, he wouldn’t call my push anyway, but this gives me the option of finding out how strong he is (or wants to project he is anyway.)
Him folding without contest is the main and most important thing I’m looking for here - I’m making a continuation bet to show I have more than 9-3 suited.
The second thing is - reads are strange, some people you can read like a book, while others you can’t tell at all - and a friend at the table may be able to read the same guy that you can’t, quite easily; Point being maybe I’ve got a huge tell on this guy, and am thinking he ‘has it’ - everything about the way he pushes will tell me if he really does or not.
In the small possibility that he has T-T or J-J, this gives me the option to see that, and make the choice.
I must admit, I’m not that good and will probably call anyway - but I’ll feel better knowing I made the conscious thinking choice/decision to gamble rather than play the ram-jam game from the start.

Ally
8.7.07 / 11am

This is a super easy shove the way we played it. But, we also played it terribly.

What the hell do we think he’s got when he re-pops from the button? He’s a quiet, tight, moderately successful player. No question in my mind he’s repopping here with QQ+/AK. So, what flop are we going to see that we’re going to like? If we flop a pair, it’s likely we’re either dominated by a higher kicker or an overpair. So, we need to flop two pair or better here to like our spot.

And, with the sizing of the pot, there’s just one big bet left in his stack. Yeah, we might force out AK/AQ types of hands on a dry board, but any of the other possible hands here are definitely going to look you up.

So, not only by making the preflop call are you putting in chips behind, but because our villain has so few chips left, if we get any piece or strong draw on the flop, we’re going to commit a ton more and we won’t be able to get away.

So, I even though I don’t hate the preflop raise, I hate the preflop call of the reraise. Having made that call though, I think we need to jam here on the flop. We’re probably not much worse than a coin flip and add in the pot odds, and perhaps a little fold equity against a lower pp or AK/AQ, and I think we have to shove that flop.

j w
8.12.07 / 4pm

so where do we get to see these “stats” that show how/where/how big people play? :-)

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