Overpair on the flop with action behind, no limit hold em cash game

Game type: 2/4 No limit cash, online
Your image: Very aggressive
Opponent’s image: Raiser is LAG, caller just sat down a hand or two ago
Your hand: K♦K♣
The setup: You’ve been moving a lot of chips in this cash game, and so far you’ve kept more than you’ve given out. With a very aggressive preflop and flop style, you’ve gotten into your fair share of confrontations with the big stack directly to your left. With that set up, you’re happy to be dealt kings, and you raise it to $15 UTG. You get two callers, the button folds, the SB calls and the BB folds. The flop could be worse:
Q♥J♦3♦
The SB checks and you lead for $50. Player B raises it to $130, and Player C flat calls. The SB folds.
What’s your play? Player B has been very LAG, and Player C just joined the table a couple of hands ago.
7.26.07 / 1am
With no info on player C it seems you could lose a lot of money if he’s holding that set. So raising is probably a bad idea. The wise alternative is to fold. But what would happen if we would just call. Then if the turn is a blank we check and our LAG opponent might take another shot (not very likely) and player C might fold if he was on a draw (unlikely again) and then we can go all-in. It’s a long shot, but 1 in 6 ($80 to win $460 + implied odds) might be worth it, while that $300 to win $674 might not.
On top of that your call might confuse your opponents so much their heads will explode.
7.26.07 / 4am
I’m going for a pot-sized re-raise. Being “very aggressive”, folding an overpair isn’t even an option for me at this point. Also, I’ll see exactly where I’m at with these two. I’m hoping Player B has a strong Q and will call and Player C has a draw and will fold. If both call and the turn is ugly, I will put the brakes on. But for now, I’ll stay in pitbull mode.
7.26.07 / 6am
I voted raise - I think Player C is a knucklehead, and I think I’m ahead of Player B and about one hand away from putting him on tilt.
My pot odds are 4.7 to 1 with an overpair, no made str8s or flushes on the board - I’m playing.
7.26.07 / 7am
To me, it seems like there are just too many scare cards that could hit that would probably shut us down, especially if both players are on some sort of draw. Any diamond, A, K, Q, J, 9 or 8 could fit either holding. (Any T may possibly be a scare card as well, albeit much less likely, as someone would have to have AK, and 2 of the K’s are out.) With about 1/2 the deck that could hurt us, and the small-but-still-lingering possibility 33 or QJ, I have to get rid of it.
7.26.07 / 7am
The only possibilities here are that you were called preflop by a pocket pair and/or an A-rag diamonds and now you’re facing a diamond draw semi bluff or trip queens.
I was leaning toward the flat call with intent to bust the heck out of the diamond draw after the turn card hit, but it’s perfectly reasonable to raise it up here to test the waters.
Worst case, you’ve got your money in on a great hand and still have the K-diamonds to back you up if the diamonds hit hard.
If they turn over AA or QQ in the end that’s just poker, you can’t play scared.
7.26.07 / 7am
I say all in. It is risky, but poker is.
I am not afraid of player C, he is probably chasing diamonds. Obviously someone must have a draw, so if he has a set or two pair he would raise to protect it. Player B is LAG, so he would raise even if he just hit the Q, maybe even the J, and possibly a draw. He migth have two pairs or a set, but I would take my chances.
7.26.07 / 8am
ps - I just looked at the stacks. Player B is full of crap and just playing aggressively, he didn’t expect the call by player C. Player C is who you have to keep your eye on. He called your raise and B’s call preflop, then called again post flop. If you reraise they should both fold - if one doesn’t you know you’re looking at trips. I put C on A-9 or A-10 diamonds. However keep in mind that any other diamond flush calling here has the Q or J of diamonds and knows they have a monster hand. Keep an eye on C when you make this raise.
7.26.07 / 10am
Very tough spot here. I voted to shove because I didn’t like giving good odds with a raise to $300. It’s only $170 into a pot of over $600, plus if they hit, they may have implied odds to get more. I’d raise it to maybe about $400 or $450 total to cut down on odds.
The whole hand does kind of stink. We did raise from UTG, but we’ve been very aggressive. But, even if we’re aggressive, we’re usually going to have some constraint from UTG, and we’re not going to lead into three other callers with air here very often. So, the fact is that everyone in the hand has to put us on some kind of hand. At worst, a hand like AJ.
But, even though we’ve got some kind of a hand, our very laggy neighbor to our left re-pops with two more players behind. He’s either hit the flop very hard, or is on a draw and is looking to take over the hand and to buy a free card. JJ sounds reasonable, but so does AQ/KQ/KT/T9 or maybe two diamonds.
Player C here has to be on a draw. He’s given decent odds with two others in the pot. Maybe Ax of diamonds. If he’s got two pair or a set here, he HAS to raise on that board. There are just way too many cards that can beat his hand or kill the action.
I do think that there is a chance that our villain to the left has a set of JJ. But, I can also see him overplaying a hand like AQ or KQ or a draw. So, I’m going to raise here. I can’t let this guy push me off every hand, especially when there’s a good chance that I have the best hand.
7.26.07 / 11am
I voted fold, and for me, it was not that hard. I like to track the pot size in these questions, and its never provided, so here goes. On the flop, before we bet, the pot is $64. We We bet ~80% of full pot ($50) into three players yet to act, so we are not looking like a continuation bet at all. Plus we were an UTG raiser. We are telling the other three players that we are pretty confident our hand is good. But we don’t get any respect. Pot is now 114. The next guy pops it by 130 to a Pot of 244, and he still has two to act. The next guy, having seen an UTG raiser bet full pot, the big stack repop it by almost 3x our raise, well he calls, getting 1.9x odds, not bad but not great, and a lot of strength has been shown so far. And may still be shown by us. Also, with the pot at 374 after his call, he must be thinking how pot committed he is becoming with less than the pot in his own stack. SB folds.
I see hands like JJ, 33, QJ, AdQd , and maybe other diamond flush draws. I don’t see KQ against us. Nor 10 9. I see my equity in this hand being well below 1/3. With my own stack still so deep, the REraiser player B who is really showing he likes this board able to stack me, player C seeming to probably be going all the way too, Well I fold and see what they fight it out with.
7.26.07 / 12pm
all in baby, if player c has you beat so be it. I think a set or QJ would have to re-reraise in that spot to get the draws out.
7.26.07 / 3pm
anonymous, it doesnt matter what happened on this hand.
It’s a cash game. Generally, that means ‘take your situation, and figure out what’s going to happen, with exactly this situation, if you play it a hundred times?”
Will you win a bunch more than half? Or, quite less desirably, fifty one? Or only 49? Or less?
I don’t see this situation as having any future. If, in a cash game, the guy knows what you have, doesn’t care, and raises, hey, you’re beat. This guy says to himself ‘he’s got Queens’ (top pair) and he raises, he doesn’t care. And then the other guy calls the raise?
Hey, they’re off, by one card. Ive got Kings. One pair.
I’m outta here. A hundred times, I’m outta here.
7.26.07 / 9pm
I vote fold, I have $65 invested, 10 percent of my stack at this table. I have a bad feeling that using up the remaining 650 left is not the best spot for it.
7.31.07 / 12am
I think that player C probably has us beat mostly because having just sat down he doesn’t know that player B is LAG. He’s just flat called a big reraise with no information on his opponents, which to me indicates that he’s pretty sure he’s got a good hand.
8.14.07 / 6am
Ally as you said beofre in one answer you, like me are learning poker however you are probably the most capable person of playing good poker and understand a lot more than others here. I can see you think about poker properly and are a good tohught processor and there is a lot a potential.
Ally well explained. I do agree with your answer.
Just a few things I do not agree with.
lol this table does stink, so if I am playing on here I am moving I hate LAGs to my left.
What is our decision.
First we ahve to decide what our opponents hand ranges are.
Villain 1 is a LAG. We bet he raises. Now I dont believe LAG is doing this on complete air.
The range I have for him is exactly the same as Allys with the inclusion of 33. QQ and JJ are very unlikely a part of his range. QQ and JJ will 3bet pre flop most of the time, therefore this usually is not in his range.
Now I am struggling with villain 2. Is he just a weak passive player with a big hand or does he have a draw. Well against that range we are still ahead. Let say most of the time he has a draw and ther other tiems he has 2 pair or a set, we will still be ahead of his range.
I think we could raise a large amount, however I think raising all in is better. There is a lot of money in the pot already and we will have lots of fold equity. The problem wioth raising a smaller amount is getting LAG to call and the villain behind to overcall. Then most of the cards on the turn lead us to make a very difficult decision.
11.27.07 / 6pm
HOW CAN YOU NOT TELL US WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!
4.1.08 / 12pm
Push it and then tell them you had ducks when they all fold around.
4.1.08 / 12pm
But yes, even though this is about situations, we still want to know what happened. You have to complete the narrative, man. Otherwise its like one of those stories your drunk grandpa tells with no point.

7.26.07 / 12am
soooooooooooo…………. what actually happened in the end. I NEED CLOSURE DAMNIT!!!! lmao