May 17, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

Game type: No limit tournament, $109 buy in
Your image: Fairly aggressive
Stage of tourney: Just before the first break
Avg stack: 3600
Misc notes:
Your hand: J♥9♥

The setup: You’ve taken down a few small pots without a showdown and have made a few small stabs at other pots when the following hand comes up:

Preflop, you’re dealt J9s in the BB. Player A folds and B makes it 150 to go. The table folds to the button, who calls. The SB folds and you elect to call. The flop brings you some fairly obvious draws:

K♦Q♥A♥

You check, Player B makes it 350 into 475, and the button folds. It’s your action. What’s your play with two draws and over 800 in the middle?

Discuss your thoughts on this quiz in our forums – Two obvious draws out of position, no limit tournament, or in the comments below.


9 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

Jeremy Fisher


I’m raising. I’ve got 12 outs to the solid(or, with hearts, second) nuts, and I’m going to play like I do. A check raise here will pick up the pot a good amount of the time, and if not, I’m prepared to get it all in the middle with this bigtime draw.
I’m certain that raising here is a +EV play.

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shaymalus


I don’t like the raise here for two reasons:

a) You are out of position. If you are flat called, you are first to act on the turn which requires you to shoot a second barrel if you miss. Checking the turn going to beg him to bet.

b) The fact that he raised preflop is a big factor here. He likely has 2 pair or a set. AJ and A10 also have a gutshot straight draw, so they are not folding. The best you can hope for is 88 to JJ. There aren’t enough of these hands so its unlikely he will be folding.

I would much prefer to raise if I was in position which is much more likely to get me a free river card.

I know its obviously weak, but a call here is much safer. Although we are not getting good odds so folding and waiting for a better spot is the ultra-safe option. (p.s. who actually folds in these situations? Hardly ever!)

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John B.


I’ll call and see the turn. If no help, I’ll wave the white flag.

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anglegrinder


This is a FOLD for me

EP raise usually means strength (especially with two large and three medium stacks behind). If anyone except the SB or BB call, this player will be out of position.

The flop bet is a standard-size continuation bet (I don’t think you can gain much information from it.)

You are drawing to the second-but flush (which may be no good) and to a straight that may only split the pot.

You may have 12 outs. So you are going to hit the turn about 25% of the time. The other 75% you are going to either have to put more money in, or fold.

If you raise, and are put all-in, I do not think you can call. Getting the money in with the best hand is one thing, but here you are almost certainly an underdog.

Release and wait for a better spot.

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Cristiano


This is about as miracle as a pot can get, you have decent outs, are elected to have the best flush and have a shot for a straight.
At this position you want to keep playing but you dont want to be raised on the turn so IMO it is a raise as stated and 1.3K is a decent amount. You might get your opponent to fold, or else that is a good chance you get a cheap river card while a flat call might just give too much information (i.e. you are drawing) to build a decent pot if you hit.

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Sam


For me it’s either fold or raise.

You have 2,3:1 odds and you need 2.8 with your 12 outs, so it seems like mathmatically incorrect to call as the implied will probably be low.

Now, if you raise, what hands can you make fold? Basically, you have to know Player A, but if we assume he’s a pretty straightforward player, his EP raise would be with AQ+ or TT+. The only hands you’re going to make him fold is JJ or TT, but all the other hands will stick around, so your fold equity may be quite low.
And there are chances that he pushes, which you will have to call.

So, do I want to play my tournament with a marginal drawing hand in a pot where I only have voluntarly invested 100 chips? Not really, so I fold.

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Ally


I elect to call. We have too strong of a hand to fold, and raising puts us in a very difficult spot.

First, as has already been mentioned, our UTG+1 preflop raiser isn’t raising any two cards here to steal the 75 chips in the pot. We’re talking about a legit hand here. I think we’re talking about a very tight range here: JJ+ AQ+. And, we’ve got a jack, so we’re more or less looking at QQ+ or AQ+. All of these hands hit huge and we want to raise? We’re only about 33% to win against our villain’s range here.

I really don’t like the idea of re-opening the betting to our villain that has a huge hand here. Our re-raise might suggest that we’ve hit two pair with something like AQ, but it also suggests that we either flopped the nuts or are on a draw. In any case, I’m guessing our villain has a hand that they like enough to make a third bet, possibly putting us all in. We’ve now created a situation where we almost have to call and we’re putting in our whole stack as a 2-1 dog. Even if our villain assumes we’ve flopped the nuts, I don’t see them laying down a set here or even top two pair enough to make up for the amount of equity we’re giving away in the hand. For me, raising is just really out of the question here.

If we really do want to go with this hand, I think it is a much better play to lead the flop, let our opponent 2-bet, and then we can 3-bet shove. I never want to call an all-in on what is basically a coin flip situation.

Can we fold? A fold is not a terrible thing. Yeah, we hit a nice flop, but it’s far from ideal for our cards. And, it’s very likely that it hit our opponent here. And, the draws are so obvious, it’s unlikely to get paid huge here if we do hit. So, a fold is a decent plan.

However, I think a call is ok here. As mentioned, we’re about 25% to hit a card on the turn meaning that we’ll need to get paid 3-1 on our investment. We’re being charged 350 to play meaning that we’ll need to clear 1050 here. Well, with 825 already in the middle, we need to extract just a couple hundred more chips if we hit. However, we would also need to charge our opponent for his full house draw. I’m thinking that he’ll call a small bet on the turn if we hit, so I think the odds are there to make a call.

As played, I think a call is the best bet. However, for those that want to raise here, I think it is much better if we lead the flop and if we were the ones to make the big 3-bet shove rather than our opponent. I still think that this play is suicide against his range, but I’d much rather shove than call a shove, especially with only 33% equity.

Heck, leading the flop would get him to insta-muck a hand like 99/88 if for some reason he was raising in early position with a hand like this.

Article is coming Chris. Need to find a little more time during my lunch hour to finish it up.

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Valelrie


I would check. If the right cards flop i would check/raise. I don’t like chasing to much…..lost a lot many times doing that (at least I did lol)
hugs, valerie

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meme


Fold. Kh can’t be got rid of

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