May 17, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

Game type: 200/400 No limit cash game
Your image: A little lucky
Misc notes:
Your hand: 9♦8♥

This hand is taken from actual game play on the 200/400 No Limit tables on Full Tilt. This hand took place between Gus Hansen and mjorgenson13; you will be standing in for mjorgenson13

The setup: You’ve built a very nice stack through a combination of solid play and cooperative flops when the following hand comes up.

You’re dealt 98 off on the button, and David Benyamine folds the CO. You raise to $1,400. Hansen calls from the SB and the BB folds. You flop strong again:

9♣8♣4♠

Hansen checks and you bet $2,800. Hansen check raises you to $11,600. You call and the turn puts a J♥ on the board. Hansen checks and you bet $16,400 into about $25k. Hansen calls. The river is ugly:

T♦

Even worse, Hansen now thinks for a decent amount of time and then leads out for $50,800. What’s your play with two pair on this board?


14 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

Bence Kuronya


9c in my hand and on the flop?

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dnx


no matter ;]

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Anonymous


Wow, what a huge bluff by Gus… It would’ve worked against me, that’s for sure!

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John B.


It’s Gus Hansen being Gus Hansen. I’ll call. If it was almost anyone else, I’d fold. …And yes, nice deck of cards there.

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Sam


You have 1.8:1 odds to call, which means that he must be bluffing more than 35% of the time to make that call profitable. His actions can mean so many things that it’s an impossible assumption, therefore I fold.

However, I think a third bet on the flop would have helped you define your hand. It’s Gus Hansen, he could have check-raised you with anything and at that point, you have a very strong but vulnerable hand. If called, I would put him on a set or a very strong draw, which will make my decisions easier on the turn and the river.

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Ally


I agree with the staff here that this is a very difficult call and that a fold is probably correct. SO MANY hands got there.

His play on the flop suggests: an overpair, a bluff on what could totally missed us, a set, a pair and a flush draw, or a combo draw. I’m personally going with a combo draw here; it’s such a powerful hand that you’d be willing to get it all in here.

The turn completes some draws for him. QTcc, T7cc. And, if nothing else, the J could easily pair him and leave him with draws as well like JTcc.

The river then completes the rest of the straight draws. Almost every single combo draw has no at least hit a straight.

But, let’s take a deeper look to see if there is any way to make a call here…

Let’s rule out an overpair since Hansen most likely would have reraised preflop. And, along those lines, we might even rule out a set as Hansen most likely re-raises at least 99/88 preflop (and the fact that we have one of these and there’s one on the flop makes these hands very unlikely). So, we have one set to be concerned with? 44? Again, not likely.

Let’s look at a pair and a flush draw (his actual holding). His line fits on the flop as it’s such a powerful hand there heads up. But, he can’t like our flat call. Our flat call with that drawy board may suggest that we’re on a draw ourselves. Why does he give up the lead on the turn and go into check/call mode? Well, it’s possible we got there on that turn if we were on a draw, but it still leaves him with a flush draw. A hand like A4cc or K4cc makes sense. Plus, with such an obvious straight on the board, he’s got all the ammo he needs to pull off a bluff with his missed flush draw and hope that you can fold a set or two pair. So, yes, his line here does make sense.

Ok, let’s look at a combo draw. Let’s say he’s got JTcc. He’s not check/calling that turn. He’s leading or check/raising. QTcc got there on the turn in a big way. He could slow play this, but he risks the board pairing the river. He’s probably leading here, or he could checkraise here, but a smooth call isn’t out of the question. T7cc also got there in a big way on the turn. But, again, there are cards that could kill the action or beat him. He will most likely build the pot.

If he puts us on anything other than a straight draw (and our play on the turn suggests that we were not), this is a good spot for him to make a bluff.

There are a shitload of hands that beat us here so a fold may be the best play, but A4cc is probably the hand that makes the most sense. So, I suppose if you think through it, you might be able to come up wtih this call, but it’s not an easy call to make.

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Valelrie


I would call and that is the way i voted. Learned that most players will bluff the pants off you if you let them. lol
hugs valerie

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chris


yeah, i proofs reed goot.

9s now fixed.

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Jeremy Fisher


Calling here. The results confirm my suspicions. I think he’s bluffing here on a scary board far too often for you to be able to lay this down. You’re really only scared of a Q or 7. A set plays a lot faster than this and a higher two pair is just unlikely. That leaves him with a huge range you beat, just like the K4 in the results.
That said, I really don’t like the call to Hansen’s raise on the flop. A big reraise is MUCH better here – two pair on a draw-heavy board is a very vulnerable hand and NEEDS to be protected. The call didn’t achieve that, but a big raise would have.

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spinwise


i called. where’s my money?

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Kevin


I fold, very reluctantly tho. I think calling your being a pretty darn good optimist.. Id actually say the fact that the Twopair was the better hand is actually lucky.

I dont think being gus hansen has much to do with it, sure he makes plays like..but a good player like him knows his own image.. you cant say “Oh its hansen hes agressive i call”.

Its a great call if you win..only thing is I think most of the time your being outplayed and outdrawn here. Fold.

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NineLions


Being Gus Hansen does have much to do with it.

If you’re playing someone you know never bluffs, then you fold to this bet without thinking because you know you’re beat. Especially one that will chase against pot odds.

If you’re playing a player that’s not experienced enough to know the scary table is likely to be scary to you as well as to him and to know that his calls might lead you to think he’s drawing for something and one of the draws just showed up, then you autofold.

Gus Hansen is not either of those types of players.

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Geronimoo


The flop was very drawy. You can’t let the hand continue against a player like Gus Hansen. The more scare cards come, the more he will be able to outplay you. You clearly have the best hand on the flop, so you should have re-raised big. Now you let it continue to the river you’re beat so many times you almost have to fold (I would have)

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Brain


no club == call

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