Tourney / NL

Tens in the small blind versus a massive overbet preflop, tournament play

Game type: No limit tournament - Poker Stars Sunday Million
Stage of Tourney: Around the 2nd break, avg is 21k
Your image: A little tight
Misc notes: Opponent is pretty darn loose
Your hand: T♣T♦

The setup: You’ve been playing a little tight, and a break is approaching in the Sunday Million. Your opponent has been playing pretty loose and has seen a decent-size stack dwindle.

UTG folds and Player B raises all in for 8470. The table folds to you. What’s your play?

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djcard_one
5.25.07 / 12am

I would go all in….He is desperate hands down…. He’s got the first in “vigor”. 10’s have whatever hand he has crushed and if we go all in, the bb will def fold.

drhoho
5.25.07 / 4am

I think the term ” massive overbet ” is a bit extreme. Yes, it is an overbet, but with a stack of less than 11 BB, he cant make a decent size bet without showing.
Now, it is said that he is a bit loose. With that info I migth call/push (I dont think the difference is big, as BB probably wont feel tempted to call, his stack considered).

Sam
5.25.07 / 6am

yes, obvious call for me.
QQ+ would probably like to see a flop and this kind of all-in bet looks more like a medium pair or AQ-AJ, which are hands that can defend themselves if called, but with which it’s ok to only win the blinds.
The only hand we don’t want to see and that would be consistent with that move is JJ, but it’s really one of the main possibilities.

John B.
5.25.07 / 6am

If Player C has been ultra-loose and I’ve been playing tight, I’m definitely not folding this hand. (What else am I waiting for??) With that, if I call, I’m basically pot-committed, so why not push all in? That should get the BB to fold and if Player C calls, I doubt she has an overpair. I’m thinking AJ.

Gijs
5.25.07 / 6am

Very clear push here IMO, especially with a stack around 10M on the SB. Hopefully the staff will submit a more difficult question next time.

Cristiano
5.25.07 / 6am

I see a fold/all-in situation for a call might just give the BB enought odds to play. IMO, with TT one have to isolate the loose player to consider playing at all.

abetter spot
5.25.07 / 8am

I agree with raise option, also I see this overpush done a lot small/middle pocket pairs.

Ally
5.25.07 / 8am

Shove, but it’s close. There’s no question it’s shove or fold.

Fold is an easy enough play. Or stack will be severely hurt if we make a play here and lose.

But, I think our hand is ahead of his range and there is some dead money in the pot. We won’t be totally crippled if we take this risk here and lose.

I think our opponent here has a massive range. The blinds are on him and after going through the blinds, he is looking at only 7200 chips left, or an M of less than 5.

So, I like a shove here to isolate with my marginal pair. It’s possible for the BB to wake up with a monster and it’s also possible that our UTG player could have a monster, but I still like the shove.

Kajagugu
5.25.07 / 9am

Not sure I want to race for half my stack. My worst fear is JJ but AK, AQ, AJ also scare me. I would never just call because that would price the BB in as well and if he decides to squeeze and shove I am now playing for all my chips.

I say let it go. I only have 440 invested in the pot right now and I can afford to let the hand go. I know this is kind of weak, but there is a lot of time left to pick up better cards.

Jeremy Fisher
5.25.07 / 2pm

You’re ahead of his range and this is a great opportunity to really help your stack. Raise to isolate.

NineLions
5.25.07 / 3pm

Interesting that the response percentages don’t match the voting percentages at this point (33% call, 20 fold, 47 raise).

I’m quite happy to get all my money in to isolate against a loose player who is getting at the 10BB push/fold threshold and I’m sitting with tens.

I’m not sure how much the upcoming break factors into it, but Phil Gordon talks about how he likes to steal just before breaks as people lose attention at that point. I’m not sure how much that applies to online play, but that may be going through the opponent’s mind too.

drhoho
5.26.07 / 4am

When I first voted, I accidentially voted call instead of raise. Of course all in is the better choice. But quite frankly, I dont see the BB calling with half his stack with anything he wouldnt call with all of it. It would cripple him too much. Hence I dont think calling would ruin my chances compaired to going all in.
I am surprised only 20% voted fold, as that is a quited OK option. If the player had a somewhat tigth image, I migth fold. Because in that case he would have a range of like
77-JJ, and AJ-AK. A coinflip for half my chips is not something I wont, as my entire stack is more than twice as good as half of it, If I lost.
But if he is loose, he migth hold any underpair or maybe only one overcard. So now the EV is significantly better.

MDH
5.26.07 / 8am

Ally, like reading your posts but UTG folded here so you probably don’t think it’s as close?

Yaba
5.26.07 / 1pm

In a normal situation, the opponent likely has one of these hands:
AK AQ AJ JJ TT 99 88 77 66

There are 79 combinations. 30 of them you have dominated.
(16 + 16 + 16 + 6 + 1 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6)

He might also have KQ 55 44 33 22.

Even though this looks like a great situation, if for some reason your intuition tells you he possibly has a big pocket pair, it is ok to fold. This player has seen his stack dwindle and because of this he might actually go all in with AA or KK knowing that he might get a loose caller because of his reputation. He also might go allin with a big pocket because of his state of mind after taking a few beats.

In other words even though it looks like an obvious call, it is not horrible to fold.

Yaba
5.26.07 / 8pm

This hand example illustrates the importance of gathering information on your opponent and using your profile on him to make the right decision. Against some opponents, you can call without much hesitation and against others you can easily fold.

After some further thought, the most likely hands (in order) that your opponent has are AK, QQ, JJ, AQ .

So again, I say folding is not necessarily correct but is not horrible either.

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