Cash, NL / Full

Nut straight on the button, no limit hold’em cash game

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Game type: 2/4 blind no limit hold’em cash
Your image: Tight, a little weak
Misc notes:
Your hand: 8♣7♠

The Setup: You’ve been a bit card dead in this no limit cash game, and when two people limp in front, you decide to limp on the button with an offsuit 87. You are, of course, rewarded with a gin flop:

4♠5♣6♥

Better yet, there’s some interesting action in front. The SB leads out for a little over half pot, the BB calls, and then after one fold, your remaining opponent raises to $40.

This pot wasn’t raised preflop. You’ve been playing a little tight-weak, as you’re focused on another game. What’s you play with the nut straight on a rainbow board with two bets in front?

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17 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

Anonymous
5.11.07 / 4am

I prefer a nice re-raise here. Only because I’d never get into this position in the first place. 87o? Focusing on another game?? No, no, no, no. If anyone stays in after my play - good for me! I’ll take the pot, focus on THIS game, and wait for better pre-flop cards.

John B.
5.11.07 / 4am

My comment above. Name didn’t auto-fill after cookie-clean-up. D’oh!

matt tag
5.11.07 / 5am

I’m sure if i tried to slowplay this hand, the board would pair and I’d get run over by my opponent with pocket 5s who just caught his boat.

I like the raise small - build the pot with a good hand.

Cristiano
5.11.07 / 5am

Since you are playing tight-weak you mightr not be playing hands that you actually win a decent pot, This is a situation were your mais concern agains two players has to be building a nice pot the way I see.
Should your style permit a missread from an opponent or yor hand be not as strong as it is, a raise might scare players and as noted you are certainly assuring action in the upcomming streets if you play a weak flop.

Scott
5.11.07 / 6am

In a vacuum, I’d probably raise here. However, with my stated image at this table I think a call might be better. If I’m perceived as weak-tight, a reraise might raise some red flags to any observant opponents and possibly kill some action. I’ll take my chances on slowplaying here on the flop and see what the turn brings.
Again, normally I’d raise here and start building a pot.

drhoho
5.11.07 / 6am

I vote just call.
I really think a third bet would scare them away, and as I see it the pot is building nicely without. There is a big chance the initial player will stay in, and you are almost sure to have someone bet into you on the turn.

Mary
5.11.07 / 7am

I raise big (pot size to 2x) I want my money in when I am ahead. How many people can my hand hold up for. I think a call lets the next two put in the $30, and if the board pairs — I’m out.

Sam
5.11.07 / 7am

You have a weak-tight image and you call a raise and re-raise.
Don’t you think it would raise some suspicion from your opponents? In other words, with which hands would you do that, except the nuts?
You can not even pretend that you call with A7, because you should be aware at that point that your overcard is not an out and you don’t have the odds, even implied.

I would definitely reraise on that spot. It might as well represent the nuts, but at least it helps you get rid from your weak image and you might even get reraised by a set.

Jeremy Fisher
5.11.07 / 9am

Definitely call. As a weak-tight player, there are hands other than the nuts you’d call with here. 67 for example. I don’t think calling here shuts down your action. But most importantly, you’re in position, so you have control over the pot.
Of the three players who also caught a piece of the flop, based on the betting it’s likely that one has a set. Player D, it looks like, who is trying to protect his hand with a big raise.
On any non-paired turn, you bet/raise big.
The other advantage of calling is that if the board pairs and there is heavy action in front of you, you can release your hand and save the money you’d have lost if you got all the money in the middle here with, which would probably happen against a set here. Sets dream of money in the middle on the flop.

Ally
5.11.07 / 10am

I think the staff nailed this one and I think that a call is the most profitable play.

First, we have the nuts here and with no flush draw, we just need to avoid a paired board or someone drawing to a higher straight. Of course those are threats, but lets dig into the hand a little more…

Let’s assign some hand ranges here. We’ve got a SB bet for 1/2 pot and a call out of the BB. These two hands really don’t concern me much. I’d expect to see some sort of drawing hand–either a pair and a draw, or an open ended draw, maybe even a gut shot.

The big bet from player D though does bring about some concern and some risk. I’ve got to assume that this guy has a set and with a blocking bet and a call in front of him wants to force out the draws. It’s also possible that he himself has a pair and a draw and makes a semi-bluff stab at the pot–maybe a hand like 76 or 86. Heck, it’s possible he’s also flopped the bottom end of the straight.

Anyway, for arguments sake, let’s try to assign a couple of hand ranges. From a blocking bet and flat call out of the blinds, I’m guessing we’re looking at a couple of drawing hands. And, from a large re-raise from player D, I’m going to assume a set here.

You really have only two options here, to raise or call.

If you raise, there’s really no question you’re going to squeeze out the blinds (unless one of them also flopped the nuts) and you’ll probably get a reluctant call from player D. If you raised somewhat small, maybe to $100, you’ll earn yourself an extra $60 from that call (if you go on to win the hand). There are now 7 cards which we can assume will beat us (about 15% chance of hitting on the turn)–the six cards that give him the full house plus the one card that gives him quads. On any other card, he’s likely to shut down and conceed that you flopped the nuts (or at least a straight) and gets away from the hand.

If you just call, I think will look like you’re drawing as well. And, while one of the blinds may fold, they most likely will both call given the attractive pot odds that are now available since you just flat called.

There are still those 7 cards which fill up player D (maybe less) and if those hit, we save ourselves $60.

There are also the three other 7’s and three other 8’s which could give someone a higher straight. It is possible someone is playing 97 so an 8 is the worst card you would want to see–other than the board pairing (only three in the deck). A 7 could complete someone’s gutshot, but there are only 3 of those unaccounted for and I think we can assume that at least one other player has a 7 and we’d have to be afraid then of someone holding 98. I don’t think that we’re too concerned about a 7 hitting. I’m mostly concerned about a paired board or an 8.

I think by calling, we can assume to get another big bet out of player D on any blank and then we can re-raise with our nuts and shut this down (or have him call a big bet not getting the right price).

And, I think that if a 3 or a 2 hits, we may have a hand which improved one of the blinds enough to stack off here. Sure, it may shut down action from player D, but the blind may be drawing dead.

Even if we have a total blank and don’t get another dime in the pot on the turn, the fact that the blinds would have called already makes us $60; equal to the payout we get from raising, and with no additional risk (or very little extra risk).

If we get unlucky with the board pairing, so be it; at least we’ve saved ourselves some money.

But, I think that with a blank turn, you may get another blocker bet from the blinds and another raise from player D and you can try to take it down right there. One more big bet from player D greatly increases your payout on this hand.

Anyway, I think the call is the more profitable play.

Valelrie
5.11.07 / 5pm

All in. Wouldn’t want to take the chance of a full house coming up for another player. May even get one caller trying for a full house or 3 of a kind.
hugs, valerie

Sean
6.5.07 / 12pm

It’s a clear raise. Smooth calling will screams “I have the nuts”. How much of a raise depends on the other players in the hand. Without knowing more about them I can’t really say how much.

As for Anonymous’ post about not playing 8-7 offsuit… With multiple limpers and position this is a VERY profitable hand. Folding preflop is the worst play. A small probing raise is best and flat calling is great for disguising your hand.

kenneth
6.5.07 / 9pm

I would opt for a small ($50) raise here, fully expecting the blinds to fold. The raiser, as others have suggested, probably has a set, and will call, if not re-raise. Assuming the turn does not pair the board, you can either bet enough so that even a set is not getting proper odds to call, and win without going to the river. Or, if you really want to get tricky (again, assuming the turn does not pair the board) and you want to gamble a bit, you can check the turn right behind the suspected set. On the river, he will likely come out betting, thinking that his set is good (and that you were drawing or had 2 pair, or possibly a smaller set?). Then you can raise and “sell” the hand for however much you think you can get him to call.

Vito
6.6.07 / 5am

it’s an all in for me because there are too many players that will see 4th street with a weak raise or call. someone might have an 89s/o or board pairs and they make a boat.
i agree that calling or raising will be more profitable but to me it is a bit more risky.

Rallenkov
6.21.07 / 7am

Call, its the best risk/reward move for me.

Doughboi
6.26.07 / 10am

What is wrong with you people? You raise large of push all in. This hand is vunerable. You try calling if you want and get a boat dropped on you or get ran down like you’re in Spain with a 1 meter head start on the bulls. Thin the field get to heads up with the nuts with D, and hope he doesn’t get his boat. Damn you all are greedy. Build your stack slowly and safely.

Thomas Fradd
9.25.07 / 6am

I would 100% RAISE, reason is based on actions on the flop it looks as though, someone could have flopped a set, possibly 2 pair, maybe someone has a hand like 6-7 with a pair and a straight draw. If someone DOES have a set and thinks you are weak, i would expect HIM to raise again, possibly putting you all in. Even with all this action on the flop it would be extremely difficult for your opponent to FOLD trips, and they certianly wouldnt flat call with a set, becuase of all the straight possibilitys on that scary board. Raising would ideally get you heads up with with a set making you a decent favourite to win the pot, if your really lucky someone in early position may have limped with an overpair such as QQ or JJ, and youd have them almost dead if they pushed on the flop.

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