Facing a raise on the river holding the second nut flush

Game type: No limit cash game, full table
Your image: Loose and aggressive
Misc notes: Player C has been fairly tight over the course of an hour-long session
Your hand: Q♣J♣

The setup: You limp preflop, as does Player C. The short stack in seat F makes it $30 to go, the blinds both call, and you and Player C call. The flop comes:

4♣3♦A♣

The SB leads out for $100 into $150. You flat call with the 2nd nut flush draw, and Player C flat calls. Everyone else folds. The turn comes 5♣. The SB checks, you check and Player C checks. The river comes the K♠, making the board:

4♣3♦A♣5♣K♠

The Sb leads out for $200, you call, and then, somewhat to your surprise, Player C raises it to $900 total. The SB folds and action is on you. It’s $700 more for you to call and there’s $1750 in the pot. What’s your play?

As a follow up, does your answer change if Player C goes all in?

12 COMMENTS (Jump to comment form)

Sisnarf

I think you have to call since nobody showed any real strength. You only have to win 1 out of 3 times to make this correct. I dont think a tight player nomally limps K10 or K9s from mid?

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lespat

I think it’s close, but you have to fold. You have both the Q and the J, so you have to believe that he is doing this with a 10 high flush. It is hard to see a tight player checking that vulnerable of a hand on the turn or raising without a flush on the river, so…

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Ruckus

FOLD!?! Nobody has shown strength here, and the tight player is most likely betting his two pair or just hit the King. You have to call this, but a raise would be a mistake.

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Lindgren

Raise, put him all in. He is an idiot and things is K high, possibly Ace high is good.

What a donkey trying to bluff that flush!

Shove it, ship it, GG

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bugs

Are you insane? slighty raise, maybe another $50, that induces a donk to go all in.

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FilipM1

It’s a flat call..! I think he is just trying to steal the pot saying that he has the flush. But he isn’t stealing the pot with nothing! He atleast has two pairs, maybe even the deuce.

A flat call here is the best thing to do. If he, in the unlikely event has the king high flush, you atleast haven’t lost more than his bet.

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purestrain

how do you plan on slightly raising 50 when any raise will put you all in? min reraise would be 900

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Frank

Why would you check the turn, and slow play a flush if you’re not going to follow up when the player you’re trying to slow play finally bites? It doesn’t make much sense. There’s no point to trying to sucker someone into betting, only to FOLD when they finally do. He’s giving you 2.5 odds from the pot, which means 2 out of every 5 times your in this situation, you need to have the best hand… you have the second nuts, folding is not even a remote option. Hell, minimum raising isn’t even an option…PUSH IT!

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Kyle

Calling is the best play. You most likely have the best hand. If this player has been so tight would he really play K10s or K9s in middle position. In the unlikely event he does have that hand so be it. This is like deciding to call a pre flop all in with KK. Yea theres always the chance your opponent has AA but in the long run it’s profitable to call. In this scenario you are getting ridiculous odds to call. He probably has AK 55 44 or 10c9c.

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Ripp

no one bet when the third club hit, so he probably thinks his AK is good. nice trap! but just call to keep youself safe from the possibility that he does have the K flush.

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Col

He could also have the straight flush with 2c3c. I would call.

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Griff

Call. Bad beat if you lose to one of 3 hands (KTc, K9c, 23c) but nice payoff without the risk of suicide if he’s bluffing/overbetting.

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